Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[King Moe]

Not like the grade would matter anymore combatwise now, since swords can be hakicoated.

Pretty sure they do even their built heavy sturdiness without even needing Haki. Plus someone can counter with their Haki just the same.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

The same way, if zoro defeats his next opponent after acquiring a higher grade sword?

That's not quite the same thing. It will always be credited to his skill and strength. Can't throw a Swordslash in the air unless you have both the strength to do so and the technique. Only thing a better quality blade offers to the Swordsman is a Blade that is less likely to break. The rest is all down to:

• Skill

Which takes years to develop.

The RS isn't skill. Invisibility is not a skill.

 

[King Moe]

That's not quite the same thing. It will always be credited to his skill and strength. Can't throw a Swordslash in the air unless you have both the strength to do so and the technique. Only thing a better quality blade offers to the Swordsman is a Blade that is less likely to break. The rest is all down to:

• Skill

Which takes years to develop.

The RS isn't skill. Invisibility is not a skill.

RS is skill bound. Amateurs won't be instantly stronger having a suit if they don't know to use it. I think your putting RS too much that it can do anything without effort when clearly it needs effort for it.

Invisiblity could become a skill as we seen Abasolm with it and he still wasn't that dangerous as Sanji in pre-timeskip with no Haki still take him down. Don't think any of this hurt him much on how he fights at all. Probably won't use RS to fight with and won't be that dependent of the suit.

 

[M3J]

Raid suit and swords still depend on skills of the users. Luffy proved this when he took up swords against Arlong and in Wano, and the raid suit enhances the user's physical abilities, which is obvious. Invisibility means nothing if the user has no power to back it up with.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

but in my experience Zoro is mostly brought up by Moe to downplay critics on Sanji. Then a Zoro vs. Sanji ensues and most people tend to forget how it started.

Dont fall for the trap again.

 

[King Moe]

Raid suit and swords still depend on skills of the users. Luffy proved this when he took up swords against Arlong and in Wano, and the raid suit enhances the user's physical abilities, which is obvious. Invisibility means nothing if the user has no power to back it up with.

RS still doesn't make one powerful though as so far unlike his siblings, it doesn't have anything to power and just got invisibility and maybe Defense, but power and speed still his own.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

Only thing a better quality blade offers to the Swordsman is a Blade that is less likely to break.

Pretty sure the blade can also be either light or heavy, plus the sharpness of course... (Plus flexibility...)

But yeah, I kinda see where you're coming from. Though I doubt anyone could use RS just like that.

It would make more sense imo if only Sanji could use it due to genetic mutations, but he doesn't have any apparently, so...

 

[King Moe]

Pretty sure the blade can also be either light or heavy, plus the sharpness of course... (Plus flexibility...)

But yeah, I kinda see where you're coming from. Though I doubt anyone could use RS just like that.

It would make more sense imo if only Sanji could use it due to genetic mutations, but he doesn't have any apparently, so...

What you mean? Isn't tube RS unlock to his DNA?

 

[Deleted member 169696]

What you mean? Isn't tube RS unlock to his DNA?

Not really as far as I'm aware of.

 

[King Moe]

Not really as far as I'm aware of.

It does as been stated only Sanji can use it by his skills and DNA.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

It does as been stated only Sanji can use it by his skills and DNA.

Where? Could you give me the exact panel or something?

 

[King Moe]

Where? Could you give me the exact panel or something?

If I recall, it was when it was first shown at sea when Sanji and others talk about it. I think the chapter of when their bounties are shown more. You know where I mean?

 

[Deleted member 169696]

If I recall, it was when it was first shown at sea when Sanji and others talk about it. I think the chapter of when their bounties are shown more. You know where I mean?

Oh, got it. I'll check it later...

 

[M3J]

RS still doesn't make one powerful though as so far unlike his siblings, it doesn't have anything to power and just got invisibility and maybe Defense, but power and speed still his own.

Pretty sure it enhances one's power. Sanji himself noted his quicker movements and stuff thanks to the suit.

 

[King Moe]

Pretty sure it enhances one's power. Sanji himself noted his quicker movements and stuff thanks to the suit.

Not really. So far defense, but attack power and speed still more his nature.

 

[nik87]

Yeah, Moe's the troll, which is why there is a 49 page thread bashing Sanji and Zoro's is under 10 pages.
(also, you've already admitted to trolling on this topic, and said dumb things like you have to do it to knock Sanji off his "pedestal" to some fans, so there's no point pretending that you are the one being trolled)

You are free to go through at least a month of my posts about Sanji and point one reply where I trolled about Sanji.
Criticizing Sanji is not trolling, just to make sure we are on the same page and critic comes from several forum users, I don't see you calling them a troll.
My actions speak more than what you think of me, I have not trolled Moe in quite a while, just because you two consider any of my comments about Sanji as trolling that's another story. You are either blind to the shitty treatment of Sanji, just like Moe, or I don't know what you point is but you seem definitely blind to Moe's actions of turning any and every critic about Sanji into a good thing with "Nah, that's more your opinion that reality..." type of answers which is not constructive at all.

Also now it also confirmed (Even though it was already confirmed before in NW saga) that Sanji does visibly can use Armament Haki,

Sorry to break your bubble but nothing is confirmed yet. Sanji has not been shown to use Hardening version of Armament in the manga yet, only confirmation we have is that he can use CoA. Your excuse of "he's wearing black clothes" doesn't back up your claims because don Sai also has black shoes and Oda has no trouble whatsoever to make it clearly visible because he adds a white effect on it to make it look shiny.
I have no doubt that Sanji can use Hardening version of Armament but he definitely hasn't shown it yet in the manga, unless you can show proof for it that is, if not then hold your horses.

You guys need to shut up with calling each other trolls;

You troll!

In any case, I'm pretty sure the manga confirmed Sanji's hardening. Luffy and the Judge both confirmed it, at the least.

They said nothing about Hardening version, just the Armament in general.

Why you think he ask Usopp and Frankly to modify it?

Because he doesn't like the look of it as it associates him with Germa66? Duh!

So he can compare to Zoro and stronger than Jimbei end if the day.

Any proof that actually backs these claims up or just your opinion?

not for fighting unless disguises are needed.

If you think that every time Sanji will use raid suit it's to disguise him then that's the dumbest thing I have heard from you.

RS is skill bound. Amateurs won't be instantly stronger having a suit if they don't know to use it. I think your putting RS too much that it can do anything without effort when clearly it needs effort for it.

Do you even compare what you write with facts seen in manga? What experience with RS did Sanji have previous to using it? None. So he is exactly an amateur with it and still has the stealth, the durability, accelerators and floaters and it took him no skill to get those. It took no effort at all and he got all those abilities from it and you claim that it is skill bound. Reading your posts about Sanji is infinite facepalming.

RS still doesn't make one powerful though as so far unlike his siblings, it doesn't have anything to power and just got invisibility and maybe Defense, but power and speed still his own.

No matter how strong you are it will give you durability buff, floating, speed buff, invisibility and slight power buff because acceleration = power.
It basically increase all the stats that Sanji has.

 

[M3J]

Not really. So far defense, but attack power and speed still more his nature.

http://mangaseeonline.us/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-931-page-9.html

cape is his shield, which allows him to take attacks better
acceleration device on his shoes which makes him faster and gives him more attack power


Oh I didn't notice this at the time, but it looks like Sanji finished off Page One when he jumped to the sky and free fell to where Page was.

 

[King Moe]

http://mangaseeonline.us/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-931-page-9.html

cape is his shield, which allows him to take attacks better
acceleration device on his shoes which makes him faster and gives him more attack power


Oh I didn't notice this at the time, but it looks like Sanji finished off Page One when he jumped to the sky and free fell to where Page was.

I notice the shield of the cape, but don't think he use acceleration in speed blitz each time as it usually leaves an bubble-like line when he use acceleration after use (Like how Jets in the sky leave cloud-like streams when accelerating too). So far he only use it when he just put the RS on before turning invisible. I see it more good to reaching to somewhere faster from many miles away more. So far Sanji been using more his speed than the suit in two attacks while invisible and from the sky. Though I will give you the cape is apart of defense for sure and RS might add to his durability, but so far attack and speed are still his own.

I think it was that attack too, but might be bit more cause if it was that attack, wouldn't he catch up right away in the same chapter or so? Unless we counting the Orochi thing happening in the same time as Sanji vs Page One fight. Either way, Sanji did still beat him low-diffed category in the end.

 

[M3J]

Dunno, but it does prove my point that the suit does enhance one's power/physical capabilities, and it did that for Sanji. And if it does enhance his speed, then it also gives him more power because his power is connected to his kicks, which can be made faster thanks to the acceleration device.

Probably not immediately catch up. He could be looking for a place to morph out so he can't be connected with the raid suit fighter, otherwise that'd just make it easier for the enemies to figure out who he is.

 

[King Moe]

Dunno, but it does prove my point that the suit does enhance one's power/physical capabilities, and it did that for Sanji. And if it does enhance his speed, then it also gives him more power because his power is connected to his kicks, which can be made faster thanks to the acceleration device.

Probably not immediately catch up. He could be looking for a place to morph out so he can't be connected with the raid suit fighter, otherwise that'd just make it easier for the enemies to figure out who he is.

Mostly I see it as Defense at best. Speed does help up going to far away places in shorter time for sure, but in fighting, it's not good to use since it's not 'stable' to change directions in distances like that. Sanji will still use his own speed and power in head-on fight with someone than blinding using accelerators to head to a straightforward path when knowing the opponent can simply move out of the way.

That what I mean too as it's more for catching to somewhere or finding a place to take off his RS without other knowing as well the invisibility helps too. So still more so his power and speed are still his own especially in fights.