Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[King Moe]

Also it'd be great if he learned some actual fighting moves from Iva and the others while he was there. Something we haven't seen before, that could spice up his Diable Jambe.

He won't learn anything on Okamas and fight like them especially doesn't fit his Black Leg Style.

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He will need to transform into a super Saiyan if he wants to surpass Jinbe's level.
Not sure if the damage that Jinbe did to the original M3 is fixable.
Sanji is not a combat-oriented character like Jinbe, Luffy and Zoro and Oda gives him fights only when it is absolutely necessary.
For example, in a huge Yonko arc, he didnt give him a single fight... That pretty much tells us how much Oda is invested in Sanji's fights.

Actually Sanji still stable member as shown and stronger than Jimbei at this point, but Zoro the one who been lacking around given he struggling with fodders and running away from credible foes like Apoo. He been having trouble facing real threat in NW and Wano showing that more while Sanji already take on serious threats stronger than his and match and defeated some of them.

Looking at bounty and power, It's looks Luffy, Sanji, and Jimbei. Zoro gonna need work on himself after lackluster stuff he been doing.

 

[nik87]

Actually Sanji still stable member as shown and stronger than Jimbei at this point,

Sanji stronger than one of the most powerful Shichibukais? When did he do such jump when another Shichibukai neg diffed him in Dressrosa?

@M3J It looks that Oda is sidelining Sanji combat wise more and more. Depending on how he fares in Wano, he could be pushed down in weaker half of the crew, depending on the performance of Franky and Robin who have potential to easily surpass Sanji and as well if another strong member joins like Yamato.

 

[Takuan]

That can't be serious lol
Sanji will not be pushed down to the weaker half of the crew, never. That ain't happening dude.

 

[Nie Li]

He won't learn anything on Okamas and fight like them especially doesn't fit his Black Leg Style.

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Actually Sanji still stable member as shown and stronger than Jimbei at this point, but Zoro the one who been lacking around given he struggling with fodders and running away from credible foes like Apoo. He been having trouble facing real threat in NW and Wano showing that more while Sanji already take on serious threats stronger than his and match and defeated some of them.

Looking at bounty and power, It's looks Luffy, Sanji, and Jimbei. Zoro gonna need work on himself after lackluster stuff he been doing.

Just the fact that Zoro hasn't had a single proper fight since they got to New World against an opponent that properly made he bleed (remember how every single serious fight is for him: He bleeds 6 liters of blood until he uses some badass new technique to end his opponent. His resilience and how he surpasses himself is a signature trait), or the fact that Zoro hasn't gone Asura a single time, tells us that he hasn't felt the need to be serious yet. He's only shown so far improved versions of his most common and oldest past techniques.

He did get stabbed by Killer and passed out, which was weird to his character, but he stole his scythe and beat him, and that was a Supernova of the Worst Generation, even if not a captain, while Zoro was fighting just with nitoryu. If he gets to fight any YC he'll finally show off his true strength again.

Sanji is very strong and I do believe he's stronger than Jimbei. Jimbei is impressive and it's true Sanji was humiliated by another Shichibukai but I don't rate Jimbei over Doflamingo, Mihawk nor possibly Hancock either. His main strength is how anti-DF he's with his fishman-jiujitsu. Sanji on the other hand is still brute power a powerhouse and even more so with his new raid suit and stealth capabilities, unless this arc proves me wrong.

So to sum it up: the monster trio is alive and well. Zoro and Sanji both deserve to fight a Calamity but with so many fighters on the heroes' side some of the Scabbards, Marco or Yamato may end up stealing one or two of those fights. If they do, Zoro is more likely to still fight one of them while Sanji would have to fight someone from the Flying 6.

To be honest since F6 are all special Zoans (ancient zoans all of them so far) it's not like fighting one of them would bring any shame to Sanji. Some of them may even be stronger than some of the Calamities, since they're confident in challenging them and disrespecting them and all.

 

[nik87]

That can't be serious lol
Sanji will not be pushed down to the weaker half of the crew, never. That ain't happening dude.

A shichibukai, the strongest fishman out there built like a tank with effective combat style is an obstacle that Sanji might never surpass.
A daughter of the WSC that is handling G3 and G2 like a joke. Looks far more impressive than Sanji's performance against beaten Luffy who isnt fighting back.
One shots a F6 with a single attack while Sanji fails to do so with 3. That is already 4 members above Sanji, if Yamato joins ofc.

Robin has a broken DF that Oda had always to keep away from fights since he cant justify it simply not beating the hell out of 90% of opponents.
Give her CoA and CoO which are basics in NW and Robin becomes a more formidable combatant than Sanji easily.
Franky already has both offense and defense above Sanji's while barely showing us anything. Sanji needs to step his game up if he wants to remain in 1st half.

 

[Nie Li]

A shichibukai, the strongest fishman out there built like a tank with effective combat style is an obstacle that Sanji might never surpass.
A daughter of the WSC that is handling G3 and G2 like a joke. Looks far more impressive than Sanji's performance against beaten Luffy who isnt fighting back.
One shots a F6 with a single attack while Sanji fails to do so with 3. That is already 4 members above Sanji, if Yamato joins ofc.

Robin has a broken DF that Oda had always to keep away from fights since he cant justify it simply not beating the hell out of 90% of opponents.
Give her CoA and CoO which are basics in NW and Robin becomes a more formidable combatant than Sanji easily.
Franky already has both offense and defense above Sanji's while barely showing us anything. Sanji needs to step his game up if he wants to remain in 1st half.

Robin DF isn't so broken. It's a "guarenteed win or guaranteed lose" kind of ability. Either she immobilizes/smashes someone immediately or that other person has more physical strength than her. She feels pain form the parts she replicates, she wouldn't endure fighting Sanji if he was willing to seriously kick her cloned arms or legs (of course he would never do that but we are just comparing fighting ability here). They'd break and she'd be overcomed easily.
She's the most useful killing humanoid fodders but there's a lot more than just 10% of characters who can beat her.

 

[nik87]

Robin DF isn't so broken. It's a "guarenteed win or guaranteed lose" kind of ability. Either she immobilizes/smashes someone immediately or that other person has more physical strength than her. She feels pain form the parts she replicates, she wouldn't endure fighting Sanji if he was willing to seriously kick her cloned arms or legs (of course he would never do that but we are just comparing fighting ability here). They'd break and she'd be overcomed easily.
She's the most useful killing humanoid fodders but there's a lot more than just 10% of characters who can beat her.

She only needs to grow limbs on Sanji's legs and immobilize them, that's all she needs against Sanji.
Hakuba is a more powerful version of Sanji and far more lethal and yet, she handled him so easily.
"Speed and power are useless against me." - Her own words.

 

[Shasha23]

That can't be serious lol
Sanji will not be pushed down to the weaker half of the crew, never. That ain't happening dude.

It is already happening, Jinbe is clearly above Sanji and if Yamato joins then its another person who is above him

 

[Nie Li]

She only needs to grow limbs on Sanji's legs and immobilize them, that's all she needs against Sanji.
Hakuba is a more powerful version of Sanji and far more lethal and yet, she handled him so easily.
"Speed and power are useless against me." - Her own words.

That's just something she says. Hakuba hasn't been shown to be stronger than Sanji physically. He's "just" a skillfull swordsman.
If you take her words at heart then she should also be stronger than Kaido, Zoro and Mihawk.

 

[Shasha23]

Robin DF isn't so broken. It's a "guarenteed win or guaranteed lose" kind of ability. Either she immobilizes/smashes someone immediately or that other person has more physical strength than her. She feels pain form the parts she replicates, she wouldn't endure fighting Sanji if he was willing to seriously kick her cloned arms or legs (of course he would never do that but we are just comparing fighting ability here). They'd break and she'd be overcomed easily.
She's the most useful killing humanoid fodders but there's a lot more than just 10% of characters who can beat her.

I think she has already overcome that drawback, we have seen her use gigantesco mano and stomp on people holding blades and spears and it didnt affect her, we have also seen her clones take damage that caused them to bleed while her main body didnt take any damage

 

[King Moe]

It is already happening, Jinbe is clearly above Sanji and if Yamato joins then its another person who is above him

You spell Zoro wrong. Sanji already above those two, but Yamato was able to damage T6H easily unlike Zoro failing to beat Apoo who easily beat him and is under T6H. That's just what's been going on here.

 

[nik87]

That's just something she says. Hakuba hasn't been shown to be stronger than Sanji physically. He's "just" a skillfull swordsman.
If you take her words at heart then she should also be stronger than Kaido, Zoro and Mihawk.

He was powerful enough to compete with Chinjao's Drill, much better feat than anything from Sanji.
Of course it is not the same immobilizing someone like Sanji and someone like Kaido, just the size between them is a big factor.
Zoro can break free from her grasp due to Asura, if he cant physically overpower her grip, which could be possible.
Mihawk is too clairvoyant to get trapped by something like that, he would probably kill her before she makes a move.

 

[King Moe]

A shichibukai, the strongest fishman out there built like a tank with effective combat style is an obstacle that Sanji might never surpass.
A daughter of the WSC that is handling G3 and G2 like a joke. Looks far more impressive than Sanji's performance against beaten Luffy who isnt fighting back.
One shots a F6 with a single attack while Sanji fails to do so with 3. That is already 4 members above Sanji, if Yamato joins ofc.

Robin has a broken DF that Oda had always to keep away from fights since he cant justify it simply not beating the hell out of 90% of opponents.
Give her CoA and CoO which are basics in NW and Robin becomes a more formidable combatant than Sanji easily.
Franky already has both offense and defense above Sanji's while barely showing us anything. Sanji needs to step his game up if he wants to remain in 1st half.

Are you comparing Sanji scene holding back as actual fight? Nice Troll bait. We all know Sanji wasn't trying to kill Luffy unlike Zoro who failed to beat a guy who stole his sword being Gyukimaro and faint to Kamazou who is needed and still got one shot by him.

I don't see Franky and Robin above like that, but above Zoro is no brainer given they more durable them him in tanking unlike him as arc has shown and probably got more power to boot.

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He was powerful enough to compete with Chinjao's Drill, much better feat than anything from Sanji.
Of course it is not the same immobilizing someone like Sanji and someone like Kaido, just the size between them is a big factor.
Zoro can break free from her grasp due to Asura, if he cant physically overpower her grip, which could be possible.
Mihawk is too clairvoyant to get trapped by something like that, he would probably kill her before she makes a move.

Zoro couldn't break out of a cage many times. Asura doesn't exist in PT if he let himself and get bodied easily like that. Sanji already prove stronger in foes he beaten and out of grasp of others unlike Zoro who is right now trapped facing Gifters who making him cough and wheeze.

 

[nik87]

Are you comparing Sanji scene holding back as actual fight? Nice Troll bait. We all know Sanji wasn't trying to kill Luffy

Manga facts: Sanji says "to the best of my ability".
Do you accept those facts or you want to write a version of your own?
Wait until Robin and Franky get a proper fight and then lets see where they stand compared to Sanji.

Surely can Sanji look good when Robin has had only a single proper fight in the entire manga...
Franky is better than Sanji in all aspects except the speed, his potential is far higher.

Asura doesn't exist in PT

Complain to Oda, not to me.

 

[King Moe]

Sanji stronger than one of the most powerful Shichibukais? When did he do such jump when another Shichibukai neg diffed him in Dressrosa?

@M3J It looks that Oda is sidelining Sanji combat wise more and more. Depending on how he fares in Wano, he could be pushed down in weaker half of the crew, depending on the performance of Franky and Robin who have potential to easily surpass Sanji and as well if another strong member joins like Yamato.

Jimbei hasn't beaten anyone credible in PT and bring Warlord doesn't mean your deep top as Jimbei had trouble with stronger individuals many times. Sanji got feats and already showcase them more compare to him. Are saying Jimbei is equal to Doflamingo? Don't think so and why using past arcs? We all know everyone got stronger since or are you saying Zoro can't handle people like Carrot who blitz and damage him easily now?

Also nah. He beaten PO and face off Drake. His combat feats been going this arc unlike Zoro with fainting and damage issues. Who can't beat Apoo who inspires to be a T6H and Hitters giving him trouble yet aren't they fodders? He is like bottom half of the crew and Enma Hype gone down with him instantly if guys like this are posing problems to him.

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Manga facts: Sanji says "to the best of my ability".
Do you accept those facts or you want to write a version of your own?
Wait until Robin and Franky get a proper fight and then lets see where they stand compared to Sanji.

Surely can Sanji look good when Robin has had only a single proper fight in the entire manga...
Franky is better than Sanji in all aspects except the speed, his potential is far higher.

Complain to Oda, not to me.

Then Luffy said he was lying. Which means he wasn't and no reason he would kill his captain. Nice fantasy there, but he isn't like Zoro in Whiskey Peak who actually wanted to kill him and failed.

Nah, Sanji surpasses them, but Zoro is under those 2. I agree on their feats better than his all around. That's Oda showing as didn't even Franky save him from bullets in this arc and tank him unlike Zoro who need medical from nail injuries?

 

[Nie Li]

I think she has already overcome that drawback, we have seen her use gigantesco mano and stomp on people holding blades and spears and it didnt affect her, we have also seen her clones take damage that caused them to bleed while her main body didnt take any damage

True. I wonder why it was never directly mentioned.

 

[nik87]

Jimbei hasn't beaten anyone credible in PT and bring Warlord doesn't mean your deep top as Jimbei had trouble with stronger individuals many times. Sanji got feats and already showcase them more compare to him. Are saying Jimbei is equal to Doflamingo? Don't think so and why using past arcs? We all know everyone got stronger since or are you saying Zoro can't handle people like Carrot who blitz and damage him easily now?

Also nah. He beaten PO and face off Drake. His combat feats been going this arc unlike Zoro with fainting and damage issues. Who can't beat Apoo who inspires to be a T6H and Hitters giving him trouble yet aren't they fodders? He is like bottom half of the crew and Enma Hype gone down with him instantly if guys like this are posing problems to him.

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Then Luffy said he was lying. Which means he wasn't and no reason he would kill his captain. Nice fantasy there, but he isn't like Zoro in Whiskey Peak who actually wanted to kill him and failed.

Nah, Sanji surpasses them, but Zoro is under those 2. I agree on their feats better than his all around. That's Oda showing as didn't even Franky save him from bullets in this arc and tank him unlike Zoro who need medical from nail injuries?

Not interested to entertain your fantasies.
My stance on Sanji remains the way it is until Oda shows me otherwise.

 

[King Moe]

Just the fact that Zoro hasn't had a single proper fight since they got to New World against an opponent that properly made he bleed (remember how every single serious fight is for him: He bleeds 6 liters of blood until he uses some badass new technique to end his opponent. His resilience and how he surpasses himself is a signature trait), or the fact that Zoro hasn't gone Asura a single time, tells us that he hasn't felt the need to be serious yet. He's only shown so far improved versions of his most common and oldest past techniques.

He did get stabbed by Killer and passed out, which was weird to his character, but he stole his scythe and beat him, and that was a Supernova of the Worst Generation, even if not a captain, while Zoro was fighting just with nitoryu. If he gets to fight any YC he'll finally show off his true strength again.

Sanji is very strong and I do believe he's stronger than Jimbei. Jimbei is impressive and it's true Sanji was humiliated by another Shichibukai but I don't rate Jimbei over Doflamingo, Mihawk nor possibly Hancock either. His main strength is how anti-DF he's with his fishman-jiujitsu. Sanji on the other hand is still brute power a powerhouse and even more so with his new raid suit and stealth capabilities, unless this arc proves me wrong.

So to sum it up: the monster trio is alive and well. Zoro and Sanji both deserve to fight a Calamity but with so many fighters on the heroes' side some of the Scabbards, Marco or Yamato may end up stealing one or two of those fights. If they do, Zoro is more likely to still fight one of them while Sanji would have to fight someone from the Flying 6.

To be honest since F6 are all special Zoans (ancient zoans all of them so far) it's not like fighting one of them would bring any shame to Sanji. Some of them may even be stronger than some of the Calamities, since they're confident in challenging them and disrespecting them and all.

They will have their moments, but think it's aiming more for Sanji taking on King or Queen while Zoro get Orochi side on facing him, Kanjuro or T6H given how he been treated as it be unrealistic to put Zoro facing YC lvl opponent by himself if he couldn't handle certain characters in solo fight prior. He will probably have a team to fight with him in beating someone credible and help with his major weaknesses his past fights have shown which definitely can be that in his fight against Orochi given his lore abilities.

 

[Critical mindset]

You spell Zoro wrong. Sanji already above those two, but Yamato was able to damage T6H easily unlike Zoro failing to beat Apoo who easily beat him and is under T6H. That's just what's been going on here.

Jimbei > Sanji > Zoro

Jimbe is equal to and stronger than Mihawk imo if he ever gets close to water. This technique from Hody ripped through half of fishman island full of rock structures, and Jimbei deflects it with his own watershot. Fishmen are overpowered

 

[King Moe]

Jimbei > Sanji > Zoro

Jimbe is equal to and stronger than Mihawk imo if he ever gets close to water. This technique from Hody ripped through half of fishman island full of rock structures, and Jimbei deflects it with his own watershot. Fishmen are overpowered

Jimbei still strong, never said he wasn't and possible could best Mihawk since Mihawk couldn't beat YC lvl opponents himself, but just saying Sanji already taken on candidates for YC lvl position like PO and Drake, so he is quite above margin. Could say if facing Jimbei would be High-Diff fight for him, so not easily, but due keep factor Sanji still more growth to grow and reach his Prime while Jimebi kinda reach his full potential more or less already given his age.