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Who will be Sanji's main opponent during the Raid on Onigashima?


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Technically, that does happen, they just aren't overreacting to his presence as he does. Viola and, especially, Pudding are the best examples of it. But as you said, he's dragged to hell and back before it happens.

It may happen with the lesser SMILE users from Maria's crew, but we'll see.
 

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Technically, that does happen, they just aren't overreacting to his presence as he does. Viola and, especially, Pudding are the best examples of it. But as you said, he's dragged to hell and back before it happens.

It may happen with the lesser SMILE users from Maria's crew, but we'll see.

i was hoping-

we flip back there and he's just serving them all food at some sort of makeshift party (with all the girls having completely forgot about the war around them). Then with them all in a daze, he bids them adieu, and rejoins the fighting.

even in pre i found the gag to be more annoying than funny due to the one-way nature of it.
 

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we flip back there and he's just serving them all food at some sort of makeshift party (with all the girls having completely forgot about the war around them). Then with them all in a daze, he bids them adieu, and rejoins the fighting.
I'm not going to say it won't happen, but the odds are greatly stacked against that outcome.
 

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For your consideration.

From what I've seen most of us agree that the RS adds speed, durability and invisibility to Sanji's repertoire. How will you feel about Sanji taking out a YC given that his portrayal has been less than stellar post TS?

Especially considering this will be his first proper 1 on 1 in the new world. Hell memories and poele frire spectre; maybe concasse have been the strongest moves he's used so far.

If he has something stronger, even if we include his growth during the fight, why wait till now to show it and how much would it have helped at an earlier point in the NW?
 
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For your consideration.

From what I've seen most of us agree that the RS adds speed, durability and invisibility to Sanji's repertoire. How will you feel about Sanji taking out a YC given that his portrayal has been less than stellar post TS?

Especially considering this will be his first proper 1 on 1 in the new world. Hell memories and poele frire spectre; maybe concasse have been the strongest moves he's used so far.

If he has something stronger, even if we include his growth during the fight, why wait till now to show it and how much would it have helped at an earlier point in the NW?
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I am personnaly hopping for Sanji+Drake+Chopper vs Queen
or Sanji+Drake vs Queen
or even Sanji+ Chopper vs Queen.

I dont see sanji beating queen without help and king is already fighting Marco
 

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Thats ridiculous lol
How does Sanji deal with the viruses? Even luffy almost lost to that. Not even talking about Queen's modified Anciant Zoan powers
 

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So I guess Sanji just doesn't get the benefit of the doubt anymore. 2 weeks ago, we had no idea how Killer would be effective against Kaido. Yet he was still on the roof and he popped out a technique that worked.

Sanji is going to be fine. If and when he fights Queen, he's surely going to show off something that'll allow him to bypass ancient zoan durability. He went through the exact same phase with Tekkai.

Poison is an interesting case, but Sanji could still pull off the win and just get treated after the fact.
 
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I am personnaly hopping for Sanji+Drake+Chopper vs Queen
or Sanji+Drake vs Queen
or even Sanji+ Chopper vs Queen.

I dont see sanji beating queen without help and king is already fighting Marco
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Sanji in the raid suit would blitz the fuck out of Queen's Fat ass, Honestly looking at the way Queen fights and his goofy nature, I could see Sanji having an easy time against him honestly. King is a different story.
 

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Sanji in the raid suit would blitz the fuck out of Queen's Fat ass, Honestly looking at the way Queen fights and his goofy nature, I could see Sanji having an easy time against him honestly. King is a different story.
Wait what, are you serious right now?
Can you elaborate on how actually Sanji who cant even deal with gifters can have an easy fight vs Queen?
 

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Wait what, are you serious right now?
Can you elaborate on how actually Sanji who cant even deal with gifters can have an easy fight vs Queen?
Trolling about Gifters aside.......... Its Not a easy fight but Sanji outclasses Queen in speed. Im pretty sure Sanji can hit queen whenever the fuck he wants, Queens Ancient Zoan Durability is the only thing about Queen that would give Sanji hard time. Queen isn't like King or Doflamingo who are extremely fast and agile fighters. Also Queens portrayal as a commander hasn't been that great tbh. Plus you have Strawhats like Usopp, Nami and Franky who are fighting tobi roppo, and they haven't been relevant at all in this arc. You Really think its crazy for Sanji to get the better of Queen in a fight at this point?
 

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Trolling about Gifters aside.......... Its Not a easy fight but Sanji outclasses Queen in speed. Im pretty sure Sanji can hit queen whenever the fuck he wants, Queens Ancient Zoan Durability is the only thing about Queen that would give Sanji hard time. Queen isn't like King or Doflamingo who are extremely fast and agile fighters. Also Queens portrayal as a commander hasn't been that great tbh. Plus you have Strawhats like Usopp, Nami and Franky who are fighting tobi roppo, and they haven't been relevant at all in this arc. You Really think its crazy for Sanji to get the better of Queen in a fight at this point?
Manga fact, Sanji has been struggling vs gifters, your biased cant change that sorry to inform you.
No one is doubting Sanji's ability to hit Queen the problem is Sanji doesn't have the strength to damage an ancient zoan, a fight with Queen would be pretty useless since Sanji won't be able to do any meaningful damage.
The Flying 6 have been shown to be monsters with only Jinbe and Franky being the only people capable of fighting and actually winning vs them, yet you make it sound like they are beneath Sanji, someone who couldn't beat Page One the weakest of the Flying 6, nothing Sanji has done or has ever shown puts him at a level where he can beat a commander, so far from the story its pretty safe to say Sanji can nearly beat an executive (Flying 6) and even that will be a high diff fight for him.

the only way Sanji will beat a commander this arc is if Drake and Chopper join him to beat Queen since it would be impossible for him to do it solo.
I know like me a lot of people want to see Sanji have a solo fight and actually win it, and the most logical way is for him is to beat a Flying 6, last time Sanji had a proper 1 v 1 was vs Jabura and that was almost 15 years ago.
 
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Franky beating a topo robi is a pretty huge stretch though. I would think he is out of his depth against one. Sanji could conceivably beat a topo robi but it would be with extreme difficulty even with the raid clutch and even then there is the simple reality that the topo robi appear to be rather unremarkable among yonko executives.
 

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Franky beating a topo robi is a pretty huge stretch though. I would think he is out of his depth against one. Sanji could conceivably beat a topo robi but it would be with extreme difficulty even with the raid clutch and even then there is the simple reality that the topo robi appear to be rather unremarkable among yonko executives.
Yes but would it be shocking for Franky to solo Sasaki? i think not.
 

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Yes but would it be shocking for Franky to solo Sasaki? i think not.
Clearly it'd be fairly shocking... I barely give raid clutch sanji a win against a topo robi and franky is clearly beneath sanji in the crews pecking order. I don't think highly of the topo robi but being a yonko executive is still worth something....
 

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Clearly it'd be fairly shocking... I barely give raid clutch sanji a win against a topo robi and franky is clearly beneath sanji in the crews pecking order. I don't think highly of the topo robi but being a yonko executive is still worth something....
For me since Franky's attack power is only lower than Zoro and Luffy's I don't see a problem with him being able to beat Sasaki, well if it was a different opponent then sure it would be pretty impossible for Franky to win but given that Sasaki is a triceratops, he should be slow enough for Franky to have a chance.
 

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Franky beating a topo robi is a pretty huge stretch though. I would think he is out of his depth against one. Sanji could conceivably beat a topo robi but it would be with extreme difficulty even with the raid clutch and even then there is the simple reality that the topo robi appear to be rather unremarkable among yonko executives.
We haven't seen the Strawhat crew have a decent solo fight in many a moon. And since they are the main force in this raid (and main characters) It's pretty clear we're going to have them jump major levels in this fight because from here on out it's the big leagues for them. Unfortunately, Oda wasn't able to baby step their progress like he was able to do Pre Time Skip because he's used the last few arcs to set up end game stuff and build up Luffy. Everyone else is going to be playing catch up and pulling off wins that'd seem impossible one arc ago.
 

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For me since Franky's attack power is only lower than Zoro and Luffy's I don't see a problem with him being able to beat Sasaki, well if it was a different opponent then sure it would be pretty impossible for Franky to win but given that Sasaki is a triceratops, he should be slow enough for Franky to have a chance.
It's a pretty big stretch that sasaki will be slow. Even rhinoceroses are pretty damn fast runners. Even if sasaki isn't fast, franky isn't exactly a swift and nimble gazelle... He is a literal hunk of wapo metal. Add to that sasaki has barely shown his dinosaur form and still has his hybrid form. Hybrid forms so far have been substantial power boosts. Add to that franky having spent the better part of the arc running away from hacha...
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We haven't seen the Strawhat crew have a decent solo fight in many a moon. And since they are the main force in this raid (and main characters) It's pretty clear we're going to have them jump major levels in this fight because from here on out it's the big leagues for them. Unfortunately, Oda wasn't able to baby step their progress like he was able to do Pre Time Skip because he's used the last few arcs to set up end game stuff and build up Luffy. Everyone else is going to be playing catch up and pulling off wins that'd seem impossible one arc ago.
Since when are the strawhats the main force in this war? the scabbards are clearly a more substantial force than the strawhats, if only because their weakest members tower over the weaker strawhats. The weakest scabbard managed to cut kaido, meanwhile sanji and ussop were instantly foderized by ulti. Sure, luffy might be stronger than any scabbard and zoro could also have that distinction but the scabbards have at least 5 people that can give jack a run for his money (denjiro, ashura, kawamatsu, sulong inuarashi and sulong nekomamushi)... Someone whose position in the world is higher than doflamingos.
 

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For your consideration.

From what I've seen most of us agree that the RS adds speed, durability and invisibility to Sanji's repertoire. How will you feel about Sanji taking out a YC given that his portrayal has been less than stellar post TS?

Especially considering this will be his first proper 1 on 1 in the new world. Hell memories and poele frire spectre; maybe concasse have been the strongest moves he's used so far.

If he has something stronger, even if we include his growth during the fight, why wait till now to show it and how much would it have helped at an earlier point in the NW?
As I said, I wouldn't mind Sanji doing that. He's strong, but he could have also trained on the ship to Wano and then when he was on Wano. After breaking out the RS, he could have also continued training with the suit as well. I don't think it'd be a stretch or impossible for Sanji to have gotten stronger from leaving WCI to now or even earlier on.

Probably because Oda wants to focus more on Luffy and wank him? Even Zoro didn't get a good fight so far, and I can't think of when Sanji's strength would have been a real asset without outshining LUffy.
 

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It's a pretty big stretch that sasaki will be slow. Even rhinoceroses are pretty damn fast runners. Even if sasaki isn't fast, franky isn't exactly a swift and nimble gazelle... He is a literal hunk of wapo metal. Add to that sasaki has barely shown his dinosaur form and still has his hybrid form. Hybrid forms so far have been substantial power boosts. Add to that franky having spent the better part of the arc running away from hacha...
Sure its just my speculation that Sasaki will be slow and just a tank, its the only reason why I believe Franky will win in the first place.
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For your consideration.

From what I've seen most of us agree that the RS adds speed, durability and invisibility to Sanji's repertoire. How will you feel about Sanji taking out a YC given that his portrayal has been less than stellar post TS?

Especially considering this will be his first proper 1 on 1 in the new world. Hell memories and poele frire spectre; maybe concasse have been the strongest moves he's used so far.

If he has something stronger, even if we include his growth during the fight, why wait till now to show it and how much would it have helped at an earlier point in the NW?
For me its an impossibility for Sanji to be able to beat a commander solo, with decent help I can see it happening but solo nah pretty impossible.
 
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