Team Natsu and Lucy vs Gray and Juvia

[Alvarez Princess]

Yes , I know that his endurance whatsoever is increased that is why I said natsu can change his form too . Absorb curse that is not his weakness.... we didn't know if he could do such things to his weakness . He will still be damaged by fire.

I'm not talking about his demonized form... if natsu turn into end then he will probably one shotted gray and this is base on hype .

I'm talking about his dragon slayer magic . Even though he just used dragon force for awhile it's still impressive . And gray demonized form have little to no feats too m8.

If Natsu turns into END, it is Gray who is very likely to oneshot him considering most of END's hype was brushed down a lot by Zeref.

Gray's demonized form still has more feats of enhancement compared to Natsu's DF form.

 

[Summer]

If Natsu turns into END, it is Gray who is very likely to oneshot him considering most of END's hype was brushed down a lot by Zeref.

Gray's demonized form still has more feats of enhancement compared to Natsu's DF form.

You could stick to your opinion on that and I will stick to mine.... now back to the natsu and Lucy vs gray and juvia .

I still think team natsu and Lucy win becoz of the previous post that I post.... the one with the pic.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

About the end vs Gray..
No one is going to get one shotted..gray is clearly not going to one shot End like that lol..mashima is not that dumb..and the same goes for natsu/end too..no one is going to get one shotted

 

[Doughboy]

Nalu would win just off of Natsu. But I would give the edge to Juvia over Lucy, who's physically stronger than her even if Lucy's mentally stronger. If Juvia could keep focus she would deff beat Lucy

 

[Axiomus]

Gray's best feats in this arc so far stack up to base Natsu's feats. Ice-Make: Silver has a comparable AoE to Natsu's basic punches, such as the ones he used against the Alvarez Troops, against Arlock, against the GMG stadium, Ur's hype of potentially qualifying as a Wizard Saint puts her in the same ballpark as Bluenote, who went toe to toe with Gildarts on Tenrou-Island. This makes Ice Devil's Zero Longsword took out Ur, which makes it comparable to Natsu's roar taking out Bluenote. Fire Dragon King spells are on a different level compared to everything I just mentioned. They have been used to actually knocked out a Spriggan 12 member, and have larger AoE.

Now Natsu didn't oneshot Jacob because he had to hold back on using FDK mode because he didn't want to damage the guild hall. However, the damage Jacob received prior to demolition fist was minimal. Regulus Impact, Natsu's kick, and Lucy Kick were attacks on the same scale as the punch Natsu used against Bakyl before he got serious. Those attacks shouldn't have done major damage to Jacob. Makarov's punch caused Jacob less pain than the body heat coming from FDK, and the power behind Makarov's punch is something Natsu can recreate with his own basic punches. The only major advantage Jacob has over Natsu is the ability to cast transport, which would also pretty much take out anyone else.

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The only advantage Gray could have over Natsu is if devil slaying magic has a slayer advantage against Natsu, and we don't really know if it does. He doesn't use curse power like the other Etherious do, and Zeref says Natsu is basically human in flesh and blood. Having said all that, I'm still willing to grant Gray a slayer advantage against Natsu. This is only for hits that land though. I still put Natsu in FDK mode as being a good margin above Gray in terms of raw power, so any head on collision between spells I'm giving to Natsu.

The major swing factor however, comes from Lucy's advantage over Juvia. Juvia is basically a non-factor, and if worse comes to shove Lucy can always summon the Spirit King. That basically allows Lucy to bring in a Mard Geer tier character to assist Natsu. That's an overwhelming advantage.

 

[Shoutmon]

I'd say NaLu wins this low-mid diff.

FDKM Natsu has a massive heat-cloak that can both evaporate a lake, and cause serious pain to a spriggan with at least mountain level durability, so the moment Natsu enters that mode, all of Juvia's attacks would likely evaporate and both Juvia and Gray would be taking damage every second by just being close to Natsu. It would just be a matter of time before Juvia collapses and it would be Natsu and Lucy ( who wouldn't be affected because Natsu can choose who's affected by his aura, for eg. Happy not being affected while everyone else in the GMG stadium was) vs a Gray who would constantly be taking damage from the heat.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

1. What I meant is of course not at once but simultaneous summoning but still that is impressive .

But still, Lucy has never done anything of this sort. She never summoned ten spirits periodically except for the Eclipse Gate which was the combined power of hers and Yukino. The only celestial spirit we know of that can do this is Layla and that nearly costed her life.

2.I did not said that to open three gates at once is the same as using the nakagami armor... did I? Its close to and it is said to be a taboo techniques and could kill her which is a point that summonings and sustaining three spirit at once consume a lots of MP .

It isn't even close though. Summoning 3 spirits may consume a lot of MP for Lucy but not necessarily for everybody, especially those with higher MP.

3.Well , Lucy summon csk even before she gets Aquarius star dress and just summoning required a huge chunk of MP and to consider that her star dress MP + is enough for her to casted a spell that require a huge amount of mp is still impressive . That still puts her above gray on term of mp .

Like I said, Lucy collapsed after summoning CSK. On the other hand, Gray was still able to stand and walk away after using 2 finisher moves (Ice Devil's Zeroth Longsword and Ice Devil's Zeroth Destruction Bow). We now for a fact that both of these attacks are stronger than CSK because that celestial spirit couldn't even take on Base Mard Geer. And because they're stronger, that means they consume more MP. My point here is that Gray used more MP than Lucy and was still able to hold his ground. If this doesn't prove that he has more MP than Lucy, I don't know what will.

4.The Gold keys spirit required a lots of mp to summon , no matter how much you disagree , it's stated that to summon one spirit required a lots of MP.
How do you know that arlock doesn't have a high amount of mp? His wall of defense is impressive IMO .

Like I said just summonings already used up a lots of mp , it doesn't matter even if it just for a short while .
And your point about Lucy draining mp to sustain the spirit , didn't you just agree that Lucy have much more mp than gray? Lol

I don't disagree with the notion that one spirit may require lots of MP. But it definitely isn't as exhausting as you're making it seem. From what I understand, you think that every summoner has higher MP compared to a regular mage. But it depends on the caster. Take Yukino for example. Do you think she has higher MP than Team Natsu? No. But she can even summon the 13th Gate (Ophiuchus), right?

Arlock was a fodder. None of his spells were that impressive and it is safe to say that his MP wasn't that high either (considering he was beaten quite easily).

No, my point about Lucy having her MP gradually drained after summoning a spirit is that her magic is of different nature to Gray. Look at it this way. Gray's magic may not show his energy being zapped away like Lucy, but he could still very well have more MP output than her. The only MP feats Lucy has was summoning three spirits for a short period of time (10 minutes max) and CSK. Everything else after that was done off of Aquarius' power. Meanwhile, Gray used the majority of his MP in his fight against Silver, and then proceeded to use two finisher moves to defeat Etherious Tempesta + Etherious Mard Geer.

5.Disagree , it's never stated that gray need a high amount of mp to use any of his attack and how can you compare two people that used different kind of magic? Gray used a lots of attack becoz the nature of his magic while Lucy....like I said summoning and sustaining required s lots of mp.

It doesn't have to be stated. It's logic. Do you agree that a stronger attack requires more MP, yes or no?

If you say no, then the conversation ends here. If you say yes, then that proves that Gray has more MP. Using two different types of magic is irrelevant because Lucy's magic is still weaker than Gray. So less MP would be burned. Even if opening a gate gradually zaps the user of their magic, it clearly isn't to the point where one would be totally drained of their magic power (unless they have low MP to begin with).

Remember Aquarius? Lucy summoned her repeatedly when she was only a little child because she was bored. Are we going to say Kid Lucy > Gray, now? No. That would be completely absurd.

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6.she still trains and by FEATS wise she had higher mp then gray.

What feats though? The only argument I've seen is that Lucy is a summoner and can summon CSK (which wasn't even sustained only by her magic power). Not to mention, it was stated that only Lucy's body couldn't handle summoning three spirits at once. I bet you if Layla was there, the spirits wouldn't have said anything.

7. Yeah we could stick to our opinion but I love both characters and I need to disagree that gray have higher mp than Lucy.

Okay. I respectfully disagree with you here.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Gray had a big advantage over Mard Geer so saying that he was stronger than CSK is ridiculous. CSK wasn't even in his prime. every attack that he did was dodged by Mard Geer. I do agree, however, that Gray is stronger than Lucy.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Gray had a big advantage over Mard Geer so saying that he was stronger than CSK is ridiculous. CSK wasn't even in his prime. every attack that he did was dodged by Mard Geer. I do agree, however, that Gray is stronger than Lucy.

It wasn't my intention to compare Gray beating Mard Geer and CSK being unable to beat him. I'm just talking about the potency of those attacks. Perhaps I shouldn't have brought in the comparison with Mard Geer. How about this. Which attack takes more magic power to use? Summoning CSK or two finisher moves? I think we all agree that Gray is stronger than Lucy. The subject of discussion here is more like who has a greater amount of MP. And I still don't see how Lucy would win this.

 

[Demon Hunter]

It wasn't my intention to compare Gray beating Mard Geer and CSK being unable to beat him. I'm just talking about the potency of those attacks. Perhaps I shouldn't have brought in the comparison with Mard Geer. How about this. Which attack takes more magic power to wield? Summoning CSK or two finisher moves? I think we all agree that Gray is stronger than Lucy. The subject of discussion here is more like who has a greater amount of MP. And I still don't see how Lucy would win this.

Gray needs more magic power for the finishing moves while Lucy needs a lot of MP to keep her Spirits in her own world. its not like Lucy will go and engage Gray in CQC combat. she is not stupid. that part of combat goes to Natsu in which he will handily win. Lucy can take care of Juvia. she just needs to summon Loke and Virgo and Juvia is roasted.

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

Gray needs more magic power for the finishing moves while Lucy needs a lot of MP to keep her Spirits in her own world. its not like Lucy will go and engage Gray in CQC combat. she is not stupid. that part of combat goes to Natsu in which he will handily win. Lucy can take care of Juvia. she just needs to summon Loke and Virgo and Juvia is roasted.

Yeah, I never had a problem that Natsu will fight Gray. In fact, that is expected of in this fight. What I strongly disagree with is the notion that Lucy has more MP than Gray (especially when he is in DeS), let alone beat him.

 

[Janard]

I'm gonna sideline the Natsu-Gray match-up (which has been quite comprehensively covered by both camps) and comment on Juvia versus Lucy instead.

Undoubtedly Lucy has gotten stronger since the Tartaros arc, but I believe that Juvia is still the third strongest woman in the Guild (behind Mirajane & Erza). Apart from Aquarius (which Lucy currently does not possess), I honestly don't see how the other Spirits can best Juvia. I mean, Juvia's invulnerability (water body) to most physical attacks renders meelee/close-quarters combatants like Leo (fists), Virgo (kicks), Tauros (axe), Cancer (scissors), Sagittarius (arrows), Capricorn (fists/kicks) partially useless unless those attacks are magically endowed (as seen in her battles with Meredy and Cannon). That leaves Aries, Gemini and Scorpio.

While Aries has shown that her wool is able to block Juvia's water attacks (GMG Arc), that's about it. She is not really an offensive attacker. Scorpio utilises Sand Magic, which is obviously a bad match-up against a water witch like Juvia who should be able to negate his attacks since his MP is not skyrocket high like Ajeel's. Gemini might be a tad tricky but the Spirit only poses a real threat when it significantly boasts Lucy's MP to cast the powerful Urano Metria. UM might be enough to knock Juvia out but its long casting time means Juvia has plenty of opportunities to take the Celestial Mage out.

Lucy definitely has grander and more flashy spells under her arsenal (UM & CSK) but Juvia's attacks such as Water Lock, Water Slicer etc, though relatively basic, are both swift and deadly if utilised to the maximum. Besides,her ability to inhabit the bodies of her opponents and destroy them from the inside (like with Keith) can easily render Lucy asunder. My bet is on Juvia here.

 

[Indira]

Perhaps it's best to open up this thread, and wait for Gray and Juvia to garner some actual feats, considering neither character has layed a hand on a spriggan yet. Both of them are featless. At this point Lucy had more of a showing of her improvements compared to Juvia. Once we see Gray's conclusion vs a spriggan, then we'll have a great knowledge of where he stacks compared to his peers like Natsu. Portrayal they are even atleast with Base Natsu. FDKM Natsu is unknown for now. I have to agree with Alvares Princess that Gray's durability is unknown, so it's quite farfetched to say Natsu can take him down with one-three attacks, as that's reaching, and something Mashima will never implement if they really fought.

I would say that Des Gray and Bloodlusted Juvia can take down Base Natsu and Lucy mid-high diff. If one says Gray is weak to fire, then Natsu is not only weak to DeS, he would also be weak to Juvia's water if you're going to play that card.

While I'll wait for judgement and assessment on whether they can take down FDKM Natsu+Lucy, Natsu is the biggest factor for NaLu winning if they fought right now through feats.

As for the Gray vs Lucy, debate. That shouldn't even be a debate. It's even extremely laughable and nonsensical to see some of the arguments favouring Lucy.

Lucy probably has the same amount of MP as Base Gray does, perhaps slightly more, but having slightly MP doesn't mean you are coming close to even winning, considering Base Gray outclasses Lucy in actual combat stats (endurance, stamina, offensive attacks, CQC, speed, slightly more intellects, etc) which is far more important and actually matters than just having slightly more MP.

DeS Gray on the other hand has much more MP than Lucy does, and will likely stomp. We saw how he was charging his magical power when he's in this mode. Heck he would casually instant freeze Lucy, and no-diff her spirits.

Gray has been a fighter since he was 10 fighting and training with his master and Lyon, having preserving and gaining magical power as his body ages, while Lucy at the same age was in her mansion playing dolls with her servants so obviously Gray would have that much more MP than Lucy does.

Base Gray himself can take down Lucy low to mid diff. As he's capable of blitzing her, oneshotting her non-durable spirits and two-three shot her via CQC and that's Base Mode Gray we're speaking. DeS Gray would likely decimate her. She's simply not in his league. This isn't debatable.

Juvia also has water lock which oneshotted Lucy with enough rain. I would put Lucy and Juvia around the same tier, but Bloodlusted Juvia I would definitely put ahead of Lucy to a point that she can win mid-high diff. Even Erza was shocked at Juvia's latent prowess. She's faster, sturdier, keen aware of her surrounding and packs more of a punch with her water MP attacks, of which Lucy would be overwhelmed for. Virgo isn't doing shit, Loke would put of a fight but in the end, will be downed along with Lucy.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Now that is going way too far... Explain how "feat-wise", it is unlikely that Gray has more magical power than Lucy. She hasn't demonstrated anything to match Gray's MP. So not only does Lucy lose to Gray in magical power, but her celestial spirits like Gemini won't be able to copy Gray. Thus, Gray would handily beat her in a fight.

Aside from feats (which Gray still has the upper-hand in), let's use logic here. It should be obvious that Gray > Lucy in Tartaros. Using the information that Gray trained for a solid 6 months, while Lucy was spending her time getting a job as a reporter, I don't see how she surpasses him. Even using Makarov's statement that they both improved, Gray would still be ahead of Lucy.

1. Tartarous Lucy was able to Summon 3 Spirits at the same time in which all 3 Spirits was holding off a Tartarous member such as Jackal and Torafusa after Franmarth had already absorbed majority of her power.

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2. She then in that arc proceeded to summon the CSK who outclasses Gray by a huge margin. Current Gray doesn't have any feats to make CSK summoning Lucy from a Year ago. In which case we know Lucy has raised her magical power and trained.

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3. In the FF arc Leo while on Lucy's magical power was able to destroy Bicklow dolls was Bicklow dolls cracked Gary's Ice hammer.

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4. Gray in the Alveraz Arc froze an Area that Aquarius while summoned by Lucy was able to do within the first Chapter.

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5. Lucy was able to summon 6-10 Spirits at the same time while closing the Eclipse gate without exhausting her magic power.

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Rather you Like Lucy or not you can't ignore her feats. People try to belittle Lucy feats because they don't like her or her type of magic or whatever. Lucy during the GMG and Tartarous arc had a lot of magical power. She was able to summon 6-10 Spirits at once without exhausting her magical power and this was after her fight against the Royal army and Usouke/Hungry wolves. The proceeded to summon Virgo and Taurus at the same tie to try to destroy the gate. Even if you try to argue that what Yukino and Lucy did was a Unison raid, Which it wasn't, Lucy still would have opened 6 Spirits at once without exhausting her magical power.

This was before the 1 Year time skip in which Lucy trained and got Stardress which increases her magic. Lucy already had an immense amount of Magical power pre time skip. So to say Gray's Magical power outclasses Lucy's is total crap. Alot of people rank Gray so high based off Natsu feats because they feel like Gray and Natsu Should be Equals,People rarely judge Gray on his feats they want to use Natsu feats as a way to place Gray in a level that he isn't.

 

[Jko]

Natsu > Gray
Lucy >> Juvia
NaLu >>> Gruvia

Natsu might accidentally kill Juvia by just going FDKM lol and Gray just don't have the feats to compete.

 

[Summer]

But still, Lucy has never done anything of this sort. She never summoned ten spirits periodically except for the Eclipse Gate which was the combined power of hers and Yukino. The only celestial spirit we know of that can do this is Layla and that nearly costed her life.



It isn't even close though. Summoning 3 spirits may consume a lot of MP for Lucy but not necessarily for everybody, especially those with higher MP.



Like I said, Lucy collapsed after summoning CSK. On the other hand, Gray was still able to stand and walk away after using 2 finisher moves (Ice Devil's Zeroth Longsword and Ice Devil's Zeroth Destruction Bow). We now for a fact that both of these attacks are stronger than CSK because that celestial spirit couldn't even take on Base Mard Geer. And because they're stronger, that means they consume more MP. My point here is that Gray used more MP than Lucy and was still able to hold his ground. If this doesn't prove that he has more MP than Lucy, I don't know what will.



I don't disagree with the notion that one spirit may require lots of MP. But it definitely isn't as exhausting as you're making it seem. From what I understand, you think that every summoner has higher MP compared to a regular mage. But it depends on the caster. Take Yukino for example. Do you think she has higher MP than Team Natsu? No. But she can even summon the 13th Gate (Ophiuchus), right?

Arlock was a fodder. None of his spells were that impressive and it is safe to say that his MP wasn't that high either (considering he was beaten quite easily).

No, my point about Lucy having her MP gradually drained after summoning a spirit is that her magic is of different nature to Gray. Look at it this way. Gray's magic may not show his energy being zapped away like Lucy, but he could still very well have more MP output than her. The only MP feats Lucy has was summoning three spirits for a short period of time (10 minutes max) and CSK. Everything else after that was done off of Aquarius' power. Meanwhile, Gray used the majority of his MP in his fight against Silver, and then proceeded to use two finisher moves to defeat Etherious Tempesta + Etherious Mard Geer.



It doesn't have to be stated. It's logic. Do you agree that a stronger attack requires more MP, yes or no?

If you say no, then the conversation ends here. If you say yes, then that proves that Gray has more MP. Using two different types of magic is irrelevant because Lucy's magic is still weaker than Gray. So less MP would be burned. Even if opening a gate gradually zaps the user of their magic, it clearly isn't to the point where one would be totally drained of their magic power (unless they have low MP to begin with).

Remember Aquarius? Lucy summoned her repeatedly when she was only a little child because she was bored. Are we going to say Kid Lucy > Gray, now? No. That would be completely absurd.

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What feats though? The only argument I've seen is that Lucy is a summoner and can summon CSK (which wasn't even sustained only by her magic power). Not to mention, it was stated that only Lucy's body couldn't handle summoning three spirits at once. I bet you if Layla was there, the spirits wouldn't have said anything.



Okay. I respectfully disagree with you here.

IMO it's ridiculous and laughable to says that gray who have no feats in mp to even be compared to Lucy .

You said that Lucy sustain csk and use um just by using Aquarius magic .... you do realized that magic is from star dress right ? And to think that the star dress which Lucy can use any times she want right now could sustain a Celestial spirit king in the real world which consumed much more mp than the three spirit and even use um which took much more mp than gray one big spell after that is impressive and enough feats to puts her above gray .

And how can you even said that Lucy magic is weaker than gray? Lol.... how do you even gets that kind of answer? Aquarius could makes a big tsunami.... Taurus can create a sandstorm... wreck the floor with just one simple swift.... Aries could even make a barrier wall to protect Lucy from one of juvia strongest attack that took out a lots of mages and blah blah blah.... don't make me mention that Gemini could even copy someone like kagura and Minerva..... how does that makes Lucy magic is weaker than gray?

And to even compare gray to csk is ridiculous lol..... gray only have advantage in the fight against mard becoz of the nature of his magic... that Is to slay the demon . While Lucy even though doesn't use slaying magic over power mard . Gray would be stomp by csk Lucy if he doesn't have insta freeze.... and to think that the csk can even manipulate times... lol

I need to disagree with most of point there .

 

[Alvarez Princess]

I'm going to only quote the statements I deem to be ridiculous.

IMO it's ridiculous and laughable to says that gray who have no feats in mp to even be compared to Lucy .

You said that Lucy sustain csk and use um just by using Aquarius magic .... you do realized that magic is from star dress right ? And to think that the star dress which Lucy can use any times she want right now could sustain a Celestial spirit king in the real world which consumed much more mp than the three spirit and even use um which took much more mp than gray one big spell after that is impressive and enough feats to puts her above gray .

And how can you even said that Lucy magic is weaker than gray? Lol.... how do you even gets that kind of answer? Aquarius could makes a big tsunami.... Taurus can create a sandstorm... wreck the floor with just one simple swift.... Aries could even make a barrier wall to protect Lucy from one of juvia strongest attack that took out a lots of mages and blah blah blah.... don't make me mention that Gemini could even copy someone like kagura and Minerva..... how does that makes Lucy magic is weaker than gray? .

I already showed you an indication of magic power feats Gray displayed in the Sun village. His base form was enough to disperse a scrape of a mountain that had Atlas's soul residing in. That shows he has very good magic power.

You need prove for your claims that CSK in particular SDress Lucy can sustain CSK in the real world, considering she has not been put into the situation. What has the tsunami ever done in terms of feats? What has the sandstorm done against a legit opponent?. How the heck can Gemini copy someone like Kagura and Minerva? This is illogical and irrational. She has shown to copy Marin level opponents, let's leave it that. What's ridiculous is you're putting Lucy into some grand pedestal that she can copy characters several tiers above her. You're making it sound like she has Natsu level magical power. It doesn't matter how big your attacks are when your attack potency to releasing these attacks aren't that good. Gray's magic was enough to oneshot Tartaros level Natsu characters, what has Lucy done in comparison to that magic? Let me give you a hint: Nothing.

Yes, Lucy's magic is weaker than Gray's, because Gray is simply much much stronger than her, so logically his magic would be that much stronger as well.

1. Tartarous Lucy was able to Summon 3 Spirits at the same time in which all 3 Spirits was holding off a Tartarous member such as Jackal and Torafusa after Franmarth had already absorbed majority of her power.

2. She then in that arc proceeded to summon the CSK who outclasses Gray by a huge margin. Current Gray doesn't have any feats to make CSK summoning Lucy from a Year ago. In which case we know Lucy has raised her magical power and trained.

3. In the FF arc Leo while on Lucy's magical power was able to destroy Bicklow dolls was Bicklow dolls cracked Gary's Ice hammer.

4. Gray in the Alveraz Arc froze an Area that Aquarius while summoned by Lucy was able to do within the first Chapter

5. Lucy was able to summon 6-10 Spirits at the same time while closing the Eclipse gate without exhausting her magic power

Rather you Like Lucy or not you can't ignore her feats. People try to belittle Lucy feats because they don't like her or her type of magic or whatever. Lucy during the GMG and Tartarous arc had a lot of magical power. She was able to summon 6-10 Spirits at once without exhausting her magical power and this was after her fight against the Royal army and Usouke/Hungry wolves. The proceeded to summon Virgo and Taurus at the same tie to try to destroy the gate. Even if you try to argue that what Yukino and Lucy did was a Unison raid, Which it wasn't, Lucy still would have opened 6 Spirits at once without exhausting her magical power.

This was before the 1 Year time skip in which Lucy trained and got Stardress which increases her magic. Lucy already had an immense amount of Magical power pre time skip. So to say Gray's Magical power outclasses Lucy's is total crap. Alot of people rank Gray so high based off Natsu feats because they feel like Gray and Natsu Should be Equals,People rarely judge Gray on his feats they want to use Natsu feats as a way to place Gray in a level that he isn't.

1. Jackal and Torafusa were toying around, and in the whole melee all of her spirits got oneshotted after a few exchanges. Aquarius was the only one who withstanding a attack that had some merit. Loke just got a cut from a blade, that's about it.

2. CSK outclasses many characters, even Natsu, but that means nothing. Um you're clearly forgetting that Aquarius+ CSK's own powers and magic was enough to summon CSK, so it wasn't all Lucy. Stop giving credit to Lucy, when she had major help into summoning him.

3. Those magical dolls were recreated so Loke didn't do anything to put it , and Gray used a casual ice make hammer, while Leo was relying on his upper strength.

4. There's a difference between freezing a portion of a land, compared to Aquarius simply drowning characters especially when she in the water to begin with as the ship was sailing through the ocean. Gray did it on a deserted land. Ridiculous comparison without looking at the facts. It's quite easy to summon more water, when you're in water. Genius.

5. You do realize that Yukino is there as well right? and they combined their magical power, so again you're giving Lucy credit when other characters deserve more or just as much credit as Lucy.

People aren't belittling Lucy's feats, they are simply telling you how her feats are unimpressive compared to the characters she is being compared to right now. Lucy was able to summon 6-10 thanks to Yukino's aid, so it's a testament to a combined magical power effort, not solo. There's this girl holding Lucy, it's no ghost. Her name is Yukino. Yes it was a unison, not a unison raid, a unison. Lucy was grateful to have Yukino there for a reason.

Lucy hasn't shown to be training that much, when her job was mostly as a reporter and finding the locations of the other characters. I'd wager she trained, but not more than someone like Juvia. Yes, Gray's magical power at his best is far much ahead of Lucy's. Indira and xxEliteXXAceXX answered that already. What's BS and nonsensical is your first post yesterday and how somehow Juvia is a non-factor against Lucy when it's so laughable based on their respective feats plus your other comments in that post you made.

People rank Gray high because he has shown to accumulate tons of better feats than characters in this match up that isn't Natsu over the span of the series as well as at a young age... and he has the portrayal to be around his level, so take into account especially when he's featless right now in combat considering Mashima is holding him back in power for important battles.

So yes, He's pegged at a level where he belongs in by these people. You on the other putting him on a level that he's not which simply contradicts how Mashima-sensei portrays these characters.

You could stick to your opinion on that and I will stick to mine.... now back to the natsu and Lucy vs gray and juvia .

I still think team natsu and Lucy win becoz of the previous post that I post.... the one with the pic.

Cool, atleast in terms of feats, the arguments favour Gray more as he has feats of taking down strong demons with his magic and endured the strongest curse known at the time a year ago.

I made it clear who I deem will win.

 

[Hermit]

Lol,so apparently summoning CSK is now enough to beat Gruvia,CSK is only on Mard Geer's level,who Gray already bested and that was just his Tartaros level...Current Gray would have an easier time with Mard and by extension the CSK...
Also:
Ice Make:Silver=Demolition Fist
Can people stop spreading around these fallacies that Gray's Ice Make:Silver is equal to Natsu's punches?Sheesh,you'd think downplaying wouldn't be too obvious..
Also I find it amusing how no one has explained how Gray will be affected by fire attacks when they've never even fazed him in the manga..
Look closely:
-Fukuro used Natsu's flames on Gray,they didn't do anything to him
-Rufus used Fire Magic on Gray,it didn't do anything to him..
Coming from someone who's ALWAYS been portrayed to be Gray's equal in the manga (ffs they fought for 3 days straight with no clear cut winner after the GMG,and that was Natsu with LFD and w/e else he had at the time)...saying Natsu>>Gray?Lol

 

[Summer]

Lol,so apparently summoning CSK is now enough to beat Gruvia,CSK is only on Mard Geer's level,who Gray already bested and that was just his Tartaros level...Current Gray would have an easier time with Mard and by extension the CSK...
Also:
Ice Make:Silver=Demolition Fist
Can people stop spreading around these fallacies that Gray's Ice Make:Silver is equal to Natsu's punches?Sheesh,you'd think downplaying wouldn't be too obvious..
Also I find it amusing how no one has explained how Gray will be affected by fire attacks when they've never even fazed him in the manga..
Look closely:
-Fukuro used Natsu's flames on Gray,they didn't do anything to him
-Rufus used Fire Magic on Gray,it didn't do anything to him..
Coming from someone who's ALWAYS been portrayed to be Gray's equal in the manga (ffs they fought for 3 days straight with no clear cut winner after the GMG,and that was Natsu with LFD and w/e else he had at the time)...saying Natsu>>Gray?Lol

As a matter of facts , yes . Csk is enough to defeat both gray and juvia . Can use times magic , can turn someone into stone , anyone that is hit with meteor blade is one hit ko.... even his normal without magic hit can cuts a mountain and even destroy plutogrim . Its a facts that gray and juvia is no match against someone like csk .

Gray attack never affected by fire? Well a fire based attack clearly effected gray in the panel that I show in last page....

 

[Demon Hunter]

did people forget that Natsu can use DF in this fight??? I'm not a fan of Natsu but Natsu stomps Gray with DF. its basically no diff - low diff fight with DF.