The majority of threads is created by community members and there's no reason for mods to take them down just because someone might have a problem with it. There are plenty of users on this forum who staunchly believe that Gray is still on Natsu's level despite his lack of feats, and there are even those who put him above. So no, it's not as unfair as you'd think.
I believe plenty of people have a problem with this, considering the amount of unsuffficient feats toward Natsu's opponents in this regard. So he does make a fair valid point that VS sections are intended for feat purposes.
He could have been resting, but judging by the positions of all the others it looks like he was in the same boat as Juvia and Lucy. Either way, the attack did quite a bit of damage on him. And yes, this was all before the 1st time skip so I'm largely ignoring this in my argument. Still, the weakness bot that Wahl made did peg fire as Gray's weakness, and Gray is by no means immune to damage by fire.
Fire isn't Gray's physical weakness.
Well said! Great post that has feats and panels to back up his supporting claims.Yeah, no. Manipulating a portion of Ice means, you are able to use your own magical power to accumulate the feats. It's because of Gray's magical power was the reason that he was able to disperse it. Gray's intention was to channel the properties of Silver's magic, to manipulate the ice, however his magic power was too much that he accidentally dispersed the whole frontal region of the mountain. That is an MP feat.
1. You do realize she wasn't talking about Demons, or against demons in particular? Can you comprehend that much? No point did she mention slaying advantage, so your argument is invalid and moot. She's talking general points.
2.Lucy was able to summon the CSk because of her breaking of the golden key and her eventual trust in Aquarius, it has nothing to do with magical power when Aquarius mentioned the requirements used to summon her.
Whether Lucy used MP to summon is un-quantified how much usage was put in, and not proven so it's not a direct MP feat. The fact remains that CSK was grounded to the earth not only from Lucy's MP, but also because of CSK's own powers, and Aquarius assistance.
At best the requirements is having the MP to summon 3 spirits at once to summon CSK.
We know for a fact that Lucy's Aquarius mode wasn't a testament to her own magical power.
1. Lol, evenly matched? Does this look like to you that were evenly matched.
Torafusa's condition had him uneffected, while Loke was cut on his arm. Where is the indication Loke wasn't going all out? He had every reason to do so considering he's using his strongest magic and had the need to protect Lucy from danger, while Torafusa wasn't even using 10 percent of his. Loke was using regulus imbued punches, hence he's serious, that isn't casual.
Loke who suffered literally only an arm damage was oneshotted by a casual blast from Loke and Virgo. Sayla's blast wasn't aimed at Lamy, she just suffered the collateral damage, which isn't impressive because she was no where near her range.
Aquarius caught Jackal off-guard when she first attacked, since Jackal asked a question and Aquarius went with a cheap shot. Jackal wasn't serious. At every indication when Aquarius swarmed over Jackal, he wasn't focused on her. He was focused his intentions on Lucy because of PIS/CIS
This proves that her spirits are unimpressive. (This proves that her spirits are unimpressive. Considering Aquarius her strongest spirit only got the upperhand on Base Jackal on guard when he was distracted)
2. Already pointed out that there's no indication MP is involved in the summoning of CSK. Already pointed out that that even if Lucy used MP the amount she may used is un-quantified.
3.One of his top spells? my ass it is. IM hammer is a basic and very casual spell, it was as casual as Loke's punches. It has shown no feats of being his top tier spells, that even Lyon was hardly phased by it. Even Gray's mid tier spells have far better destructive feats than IM Hammer
Gray's IM Lancer sword/arrows
Gray's Ice Canon
Gray's Ice Geyser
(Also Gray has showed considerable amount of MP feats as he was able to with freeze molten hot lava moisturized water from an enraged-S class mage from a rival guild, with just his ice)
Feat wise. It doesn't even make the portion of Gray's medium level spells.
Saying at the time is irrelevant, considering Gray was holding back, and wasn't shirtless, and he wasn't going all out. Then we look at 7 Slice dance, Gungnir, Super Freeze Arrow amongst other attacks, and yeah IM Hammer is very low in his moveset and doesn't take much power to cast. It shows your lack of knowledge in regards to Gray's moveset since you actually came to a point that you pegged it as a "one of his top spells". IM Hammer has shit for feats.
4.You have to prove that Aquarius relies on Lucy's magical power to summon her attacks. What Aquarius relies on from Lucy is to remain grounded on the earth. How much Aquarius was able to summon water is an indication of her feats. Look at the location regions, Aquarius was summoned in a pool of water, that has hardly impressive compared to what Gray showed.
Oh you want more MP feats than what I showed, aren't satisfied enough?
How about these
This scale of barrier formation was high enough to even reach even higher length of the trees in the vicinity. It covered portion of the forest they were fighting.
-That was 8 years ago.
-Mastering Iced Shell at an early age also indicates Gray's level of magical power above Lucy's on that fact alone.
Still not enough for you?
What about this?
Marde Geer looked like ant in comparision.
or even this, his IM spell.
Show me an attacks where Lucy used from a MP standpoint from her spirits that has in the same output of scales as these attacks? Her best MP feats are summoning 3 spirits. and therefore DeS Gray outclasses Lucy in terms of magical power. That's all proof one needs that shows Gray's magical power is far above Lucy's and it's not close.
Demonized Gray who has trained far longer than Lucy has is a tier above. Makarov pointed out has a change in magical power, easily outclasses Lucy. I'll be generous and give Lucy benefit of doubt that she's on the same tier as Base Gray, but ofc below him in that regard as well. DeS Gray however stomps her in magical power.
Oh and my first initial response in the thread was mostly directed at you.
"Gray has been a fighter since he was 10 fighting and training with his master and Lyon, having preserving and gaining
magical power as his body ages, while Lucy at the same age was in her mansion playing dolls with her servants so obviously Gray would have that much more MP than Lucy does".
Once again, she never said anything about Gray killing demons. Read her posts carefully and understand them. So you're pointing out unnecessary logic at something that is literally irrelevant to the context.
There is reasons for taking these down as it doesn't abide to the rules.
The weakness bot created would suggest otherwise.
See now that's just ridiculous. You're making a baseless assumption that the only reason this thread exists is because the OP wanted to make Nalu win. That's absurd. You could literally make that claim for any VS thread on these forums.
The thread is within the rules. This isn't a scenario which gives Natsu or Lucy and unfair advantage. Of course, Natsu has more powerful feats, so it can be viewed as being unfair. But the conditions don't stack it to Natsu's favour. If it was FDKM Natsu vs ToH Gray then yea the thread would be closed. But Current Gray isn't a scrub, and fight's don't have to necessarily be even. Some people think current Gray is Natsu-level, some don't.
You might want to actually read my post. I made the assumption that the user unknowing or knowingly gave an advantage for his favourite characters to win, because Natsu in particular showed feats. We even see him claiming Nalu wins. Yes, Gruvia is at an disadvantageous stated, based on feats favouring Natsu, as he showed lengths of his power compared to them. Read rule 2 again.
Is it not enough for us to just simply wait and be patient for Gray and Juvia feats???
No even that doesn't, fire is strong against Gray's magic ice not Gray himself.
You do realized that the csk used the remaining of Lucy power right? And when did csk runs out of mp after casted galaxia blade? CORRECTION - LUCY IS THE ONE THAT RUNS OUT OF MP . Lol.... jieema didn't even do anything much to gray and gray still have trouble defeating mard even with natsu help.
The CSK is running on Lucy's magic power so what I said is still correct, the CSK's power depends on Lucy so my point still stands. Jiemma didn't do much? Gray was stomping Mard Geer and Jiemma stopped the killing blow which allowed Mard to use his etherious form, Gray would have no-diffed Mard if not for Jiemma
Well, that's what I mean. Fire has a natural advantage over ice. I'm not saying fire magic would do extra damage against Gray or anything.
Just stop, you lost this argument the time you started it. There's a difference between Base marde and EF Marde. I'll let you in a secret Marde has a transformation. Gray stomped the Marde who fought CSK. So please.
Lol.... you do realize again that csk casted galaxia blade which pretty much used a lots of mp since the spell is almost had the same function as fairy law after Lucy casted um right? After Lucy running out of mp? After Lucy is down on the ground.... the last remaining of her magic.
It's up to the individual if they want to wait or not. Personally, I don't mind making a call now, and then making a different decision later.
Why would I lose? When did I had an argument? I was discussing . And why would I stop? You can't accept my opinions? Then move on.
And that contradicts what I said how???????? It used all of the CSK's reserves just to petrify Mard and no Galaxia Blade isn't the same as Fairy Law.
What is your point? Could you point it out clearly? I can't read mind if case you're wandering.... if Lucy doesnt use um and in her prime summons csk.... csk can do a lots much more.... especially that right now Lucy is stronger than in tartaros arc .
You said the CSK could have finished off Mard but he didn't because Hiro wanted Gray to shine which si simply not true. The CSK wasted all his magic just to petrify Mard Geer so he was incapable of finishing off Mard.