Team Natsu and Lucy vs Gray and Juvia

Summer · Jul 29, 2016

Crimson Ice said:
You said the CSK could have finished off Mard but he didn't because Hiro wanted Gray to shine which si simply not true. The CSK wasted all his magic just to petrify Mard Geer so he was incapable of finishing off Mard.

Lucy's magic power is the CSK's in this case so yes, the CSK wasted all his magic power on one Galaxia Blade. If the CSK used Galaxia Blade from the start he would of just vanishes sooner.

Fairy Law doesn't petrify.

What? Your point doesn't make sense at all.... lol
So if csk casted glaxia blade since the start and Lucy doesn't use um.... csk would vanish sooner?
Csk is not even running out of mp after casted GB...Lucy is the one that running out of mp to make csk stay .

I'm sorry but that just doesn't make sense at all....

As for the fairy law... I said almost the same right?

Cosmicstar · Jul 29, 2016

I will just put this here:

CSK>Plutogrim>FT Guild members including Makarov,Gray,Natsu,Etc.

Gray can't tank Algeria as he has no feats and he can't reverse Algeria either. He can't destroy Plutogrim or any island size land.

So how is Gray stronger than the CSK? Because with the help of Natsu he beat Marde Geer. It wasn't like Gray beat Marde Geer on his own. Also it was due to his effectiveness of his magic. Marde Geer only lasted against the CSK is because he dodged his attacks nothing more. He didn't tank the CSK attacks as he tanked Gray's attacks.

The CSK drastically outclasses Gray until Gray shows feats stating otherwise. Defeating Marde Geer don't mean anything in the argument as Marde Geer didn't tank any of the CSK attacks so we don't know how Marde Geer would have done if he did.

Crimson Ice · Jul 29, 2016

CharaRose said:
What? Your point doesn't make sense at all.... lol
So if csk casted glaxia blade since the start and Lucy doesn't use um.... csk would vanish sooner?
Csk is not even running out of mp after casted GB...Lucy is the one that running out of mp to make csk stay .

I'm sorry but that just doesn't make sense at all....

As for the fairy law... I said almost the same right?

THE CSK RUNS ON LUCY'S ,AGIC POWER, HIM RUNNING OUT IS THE SAME AS HER RUNNING OUT.

Almost the same? Fairy Law doesn't even get rid of darkness. They're both really bright but I guess Sting's move are like FL too huh?

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Cosmicstar said:
I will just put this here:

CSK>Plutogrim>FT Guild members including Makarov,Gray,Natsu,Etc.

Gray can't tank Algeria as he has no feats and he can't reverse Algeria either. He can't destroy Plutogrim or any island size land.

So how is Gray stronger than the CSK? Because with the help of Natsu he beat Marde Geer. It wasn't like Gray beat Marde Geer on his own. Also it was due to his effectiveness of his magic. Marde Geer only lasted against the CSK is because he dodged his attacks nothing more. He didn't tank the CSK attacks as he tanked Gray's attacks.

The CSK drastically outclasses Gray until Gray shows feats stating otherwise. Defeating Marde Geer don't mean anything in the argument as Marde Geer didn't tank any of the CSK attacks so we don't know how Marde Geer would have done if he did.

CSK couldn't even force Mard Geer to be serious. Current Gray>>CSK.

Summer · Jul 29, 2016

Crimson Ice said:
THE CSK RUNS ON LUCY'S ,AGIC POWER, HIM RUNNING OUT IS THE SAME AS HER RUNNING OUT.

Almost the same? Fairy Law doesn't even get rid of darkness. They're both really bright but I guess Sting's move are like FL too huh?

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CSK couldn't even force Mard Geer to be serious. Current Gray>>CSK.

You're ridiculous , your point is that after csk casted galaxia blade he will vanish just like that.... which doesn't make sense at all.... csk casted gb after Lucy running out of mp... if he cast gb since the start it's a facts that mard would be petrified and csk could destroy him . Lucy will have enough mp to makes csk stay longer .

I'm done talking about the shit of fairy law... came up with a logical answer and I will answer you... like I said I hate saying the same things over and over again.

Jko · Jul 29, 2016

Gray isn't Natsu lvl on Natsu's MP lvls. Ice Make Silver would get straight trashed by any FD lvl attacks let alone FDK or FDKM. Ice Make Gray couldn't even beat Ur who was low-mid WS tier lol.

Juvia is a non-factor in this fight she needed Meredy's help to beat Keyes :bnah

. Pre-ts Lucy could match Juvia with one spirit so add in two others like Loke and Aries and Juvia would get wrecked.

Celestial Spirit King would straight trashed Mard Geer if he wasn't at the bare minimum, gave Lucy magic to protect her which set due time down significantly, and had to hold back. If CSK went all out bye bye FT and Tartarus at the same time. http://www.mangahere.co/manga/fairy_tail/v38/c386/10.html
CSK was doing his baby magic so he didn't steal the whole arc :Haha

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Tartarus Gray can't one-shot Mard Geer, he can't even one on one him :lmao

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Alvarez Princess · Jul 29, 2016

Jko said:
Gray isn't Natsu lvl on Natsu's MP lvls. Ice Make Silver would get straight trashed by any FD lvl attacks let alone FDK or FDKM. Ice Make Gray couldn't even beat Ur who was low-mid WS tier lol.

Juvia is a non-factor in this fight she needed Meredy's help to beat Keyes . Pre-ts Lucy could match Juvia with one spirit so add in two others like Loke and Aries and Juvia would get wrecked.

Celestial Spirit King would straight trashed Mard Geer if he wasn't at the bare minimum, gave Lucy magic to protect her which set due time down significantly, and had to hold back. If CSK went all out bye bye FT and Tartarus at the same time. http://www.mangahere.co/manga/fairy_tail/v38/c386/10.html
CSK was doing his baby magic so he didn't steal the whole arc .

Tartarus Gray can't one-shot Mard Geer, he can't even one on one him .

Ice Make Gray was holding back against Ur, go read the Gray discussion thread, where we debunked every ridiculous notion in this case. IM Silver is comparable to the range of MP of Base Natsu's attacks shown by Axiomus. Gray is close to Natsu's level of MP

You're going to take a off-paneled fight for your ridiculous argument now? Pre-Ts Lucy would get stomped by current Juvia, and adding her fodder non-durable spirits isn't going to assist you much.

Oh right. Pitiful excuse on CSK. :zomg

Tartaros Gray pretty much took down Marde, the same Base Marde who would oneshot Lucy with ease lol

Heck EF Marde would take down CSK and babyshake him. :3

Next time, make a post that isn't so biased for your NaLu, because you seem to have a reputation off of that.

Hermit · Jul 29, 2016

None of Lucy's spirits are doing anything to Juvia,so she can just use Water Lock on Lucy and knock her out of this fight,this isn't even debatable...
About Gray and Natsu,in their base forms in Avatar their ice and fire were cancelling each other.out,so there's nothing about having an edge over the other or some codswallop like that :-_-

Juvia is the deciding factor in this fight in assisting Gray,heck they can just use a Unison Raid on Natsu and since Natsu has never been shown to evaporate water from other magic users...
I think the end result speaks for itself

Alvarez Princess · Jul 29, 2016

Cosmic Star, I'm going to make myself clear here, never once did I mention anything about DeS Gray or his slaying advantage in my arguments against you. As for your arguments, I believe Indira cleared and counter that up in a much more consise manner than I did. :mono

Gray needed assistance because of Marde's flight nothing more. If he was on ground level, Gray would defeat him without any assistance.

CharaRose said:
You do realized that the csk used the remaining of Lucy power right? And when did csk runs out of mp after casted galaxia blade? CORRECTION - LUCY IS THE ONE THAT RUNS OUT OF MP . Lol.... jieema didn't even do anything much to gray and gray still have trouble defeating mard even with natsu help.

Jiemma didn't do anything? He was the major reason that interrupted Gray's finishing attack on Marde. Had that attack connected, Marde would've been done in right there. :amuse

If you're going to ignore my points directed at you and then repeat something that was countered with, then I'm going to simply have to repeat after myself:
Gray barely beat EF Marde because of speed and flight disadvantage and that's why Marde resorted to flight because he knew if he stayed on ground level, Gray would've destroyed him. Maybe your memory is off because Gray destroyed Base Marde. The same Base Marde who toyed with CSK and held a book in his hand. EF Marde would wreck CSK. Oh and EF Marde's best attack was endured by Gray. I love how you conveniently ignored all of this.

Summer · Jul 29, 2016

Alvarez Princess said:
Cosmic Star, I'm going to make myself clear here, never once did I mention anything about DeS Gray or his slaying advantage in my arguments against you. As for your arguments, I believe Indira cleared and counter that up in a much more consise manner than I did.

Jiemma didn't do anything? He was the major reason that interrupted Gray's finishing attack on Marde. Had that attack connected, Marde would've been done in right there.

If you're going to ignore my points directed at you and then repeat something that was countered with, then I'm going to simply have to repeat after myself:
Gray barely beat EF Marde because of speed and flight disadvantage and that's why Marde resorted to flight because he knew if he stayed on ground level, Gray would've destroyed him. Maybe your memory is off because Gray destroyed Base Marde. The same Base Marde who toyed with CSK and held a book in his hand. EF Marde would wreck CSK. Oh and EF Marde's best attack was endured by Gray. I love how you conveniently ignored all of this.

I'm discussing about whose have much more mp between gray and Lucy . All you ever provide is no prove that gray had much more mp than Lucy .

And saying that gray magic is stronger than Lucy? Gray magic doesn't even used up a lots of mp.....

Arjuna · Jul 29, 2016

Guys chill out.This is just a healthy discussion.No need to get abusive towards each other.One thing regarding this thread i have allowed Natsu and Lucy to use Dragon Slaying Magic,Dragon Force,FDKM and LFD and Star Dress.Igneel's power and CSK is restricted.So no undue advantage is given to one side.And Gray and Juvia survived Serena's spells with negligible to little damage.And these very spells destroyed the GOI.So Gray too has shown that he is a poweful opponent.

Alvarez Princess · Jul 29, 2016

CharaRose said:
This post clearly show you are belittling Lucy and over hype gray.... you said that I'm the bias here? Have you ever look at yourself? Read what you have said? That why I never reply to you .

Even though I said that Lucy had much more mp than gray... I never took it to the point that you did by belittling Lucy . I only started doing it after you guys start it and still I never did it they ways you did .

I'm done.

Yeah you say Lucy has much more MP than Gray without any proof. It's just fangirling nonsense. A lot of people are already proved that Gray's magic power is far ahead of Lucy's. Try debating next time instead of posting baseless nonsense all over the place.

Gray's magic clearly uses a good amount of MP considering how spent he was by using IM Rampart.

Kiki · Jul 29, 2016

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Jko · Jul 29, 2016

Alvarez Princess said:
Ice Make Gray was holding back against Ur, go read the Gray discussion thread, where we debunked every ridiculous notion in this case. IM Silver is comparable to the range of MP of Base Natsu's attacks shown by Axiomus. Gray is close to Natsu's level of MP

You're going to take a off-paneled fight for your ridiculous argument now? Pre-Ts Lucy would get stomped by current Juvia, and adding her fodder non-durable spirits isn't going to assist you much.

Oh right. Pitiful excuse on CSK.

Tartaros Gray pretty much took down Marde, the same Base Marde who would oneshot Lucy with ease lol

Heck EF Marde would take down CSK and babyshake him. :3

Next time, make a post that isn't so biased for your NaLu, because you seem to have a reputation off of that.

Lucy Pushed Jacob back, tanked Jacob's attacks, out match Marin's MP, and is above DF Wendy who can one shot 9D tier opponents half dead. 9D are easily low-mid WS level lol.

IM Silver is nowhere the AoE size of the roar Natsu did on Bluenote.

Gray's close to Natsu's MP lvl yet hasn't shown it.

Yeah CSK is such a pitiful excuse yet still has high tier showings and that was at his lowest :bnah

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Pre-ts Lucy matched Juvia with one spirit http://www.mangahere.co/manga/fairy_tail/v26/c291/7.html and she can summon two others :fan

. Current Juvia had a tough time with the weakest offensive 9D :grin

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Etherious Mard would get curbed by the CSK that's why he dodging all his moves and played defense the entire time. He thought he was f#@ked when Galaxia Blade was a full frontal attack :lmao

. CSK didn't even think that scrub was worthy for anything but his baby magic. :rofl

Timestop + Meteor Blade would decimate Juvia, Gray, and Mard at the same time.

Arjuna · Aug 17, 2016

Well it says Base Natsu is equal to Demon Powered Gray
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Summer · Aug 17, 2016

natsulucy said:
Well it says Base Natsu is equal to Demon Powered Gray
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Usually the side words is from the editor.... idk if we can use it in discussion .

Jam · Jun 4, 2020

Brandish said:
NaLu would win, around medium difficulty give or take. This is assuming DeS doesn't cut Natsu(END) like Gray did Mard... if that's the case I might change my pick. I would prefer to see Lucy go up against Juvia to decide this, think Lucy might win that.

There's also the Gruvia unison raid... they have the better unison raid.

Natsu and Lucy have never done a unison raid before, so that comment is moot...

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Kiki said:
Natsu and Lucy win with mid-high diff.

In my opinion this fight is jokingly exciting. Maybe the fight will go like this: while Natsu and Gray are getting serious, Juvia will say "Love Rival..." to Lucy and Lucy will say "No..! You are wrong" with a tired face instead xD

If we put this based on elemental effectiveness, Natsu's fire is lost to Juvia's water. Gray's ice is lost to Natsu's fire indeed. But Juvia doesn't have MP as much as Natsu. Physical attacks are useless against Juvia's water body. She will protect Gray and go rage mode when Gray is injured. But she will be overwhelmed by Natsu because of his massive MP. Water Lock can imprison Lucy but can do nothing to Natsu. If we look into teamwork, we have Gray and Juvia who have trained together during one year timeskip, whereas Natsu and Lucy never met at all. Natsu and Gray have swift agility, and probably Juvia has as well when she goes rage mode. But still, Natsu and Lucy will win because of Natsu, I guess.

You do realize Natsu has evaporated a lake before right...