Team Natsu and Lucy vs Gray and Juvia

[Brandish μ]

Natsu would not oneshot Gray. We saw Natsu vs Gajeel.

If Natsu were enraged by strong emotions I would agree he'd steamroll just about anyone. Short of that, he isn't owning Gray.

 

[Ramen]

Natsu would not oneshot Gray. We saw Natsu vs Gajeel.

If Natsu were enraged by strong emotions I would agree he'd steamroll just about anyone. Short of that, he isn't owning Gray.

He has DF here. Yes he is.

 

[Brandish μ]

He has DF here. Yes he is.

He doesn't start in DF though?

 

[Ronin31]

In my opinion, as frienship Duel, it may be very interesting. Natsu and Grey are on par. Lucy has grown stronger with spirits and dress, mix dress and I think she can bypass Juvia for now, but high diff too or, with the use of mix dress, will fall if she can't one Shot her. The problem with Natsu is the team up. He will take them alone and will be in danger. Split, Grey and Juvia are equal or nearly below but not by far, but team Gruvia and Unisson Raid can make the difference.
Very difficult to say for me. I am 50/50 on circonstances battle. Average for Gruvia due to team spirit, average for Nalu in raw strength

 

[Cosmicstar]

This isn't even a close battle. Natsu and Lucy are simply stronger than Gray and Juvia unless you nerf Team Nalu.

 

[Ramen]

He doesn't start in DF though?

Fine..... Two shot.

 

[Axiomus]

Juvia is no longer on Lucy's level imo

 

[Kiki]

You do realize Natsu has evaporated a lake before right...

You do realize my post was Feb 2016 and Natsu evaporating a lake happened in March 2016 right....

 

[Star Frost]

I feel like old threads like this shouldn't be brought back up but instead make another one calling it part 2.

But yeah Nalu still wins. Natsu defeated Makarov while being possessed by Wraith which their power combined were boosted. While Gray had a tough time winning against a weakened Mira at high diff. And Juvia doesn't seem like she's at Lucy's level at this point anymore lol.

 

[Ramen]

I feel like old threads like this shouldn't be brought back up but instead make another one calling it part 2.

But yeah Nalu still wins. Natsu defeated Makarov while being possessed by Wraith which their power combined were boosted. While Gray had a tough time winning against a weakened Mira at high diff. And Juvia doesn't seem like she's at Lucy's level at this point anymore lol.

If someone makes another one, they get merged anyways.

 

[Ronin31]

For me it is 50/50 : Grey and Natsu are even : Natsu can melt Ice Make magic but not Devil's Magic Ice. He can only break it with anger. Grey's Devil's Ice can freeze Natsu's Fire. Their powers counter each other. Physically, they are portrayed even since the beginning of the Manga.

Lucy's aquarius star dress rivals Jubia's habilities. They will be even until fulled total magic reserve. If Lucy used mix dress, she eventually wins but will fall next due to no magic reserve like we saw in the last chapter (default double KO). If Jubia can eventually tank (I don't think so), she will destroyed Lucy but fall next due to injuries and being exausted.

The bonds are the same. Natsu is personal but he has a link with Lucy until the beginning and will not let her alone, as he will do with another team up (Gajeel or another...). The same for Grey with Jubia.

If Girls fall before men, they will enter into rage (Dragon Force and Devil Force) and will fight evenly until low Magic or mutual destruction if they loose their mind (see END 's fight).

 

[Cosmicstar]

Unless we are talking about a nerfed version of Lucy and Natsu I don't see it. FDKM Natsu is simply too much for Gray. This is the same dude that one shotted an enchanted Nienheart, Jacob, and Burned away at infinite magic and time. This is also the same dude that destroyed an Immortal being. Gray was able to contend with E.N.D because his magic was designed for Demons but Natsu simply has far superior feats than Gray.

 

[Ronin31]

END was his strongest emotional peak strength or incarnation of his rage (bad version of Dragon Force because Devil Seed had ascendant). He was thinking that Lucy was dead. He lost control. The same way for Grey who was thinking that Jubia sacrificed her life. They were in th same mood and fought to death to a mismatch. Without Erza's intervention, perhaps, it was mutual destruction.

Also, you have to think that END is no pure Demon. He is an hybrid of Human, Dragon and Devil being, and this was this fusion who made him dying. So Devil's Slayer's Magic is not as effective as against an opponent like Mirajane or Tempester for exemple,who are pure Evil body. They were at their climax and even. Natsu destroyed Ice, Grey froze Fire. Their powers counter each other to no way.

Fire Dragon King's attacks are use like ougi, the same for Grey's Devil's Slayer's attack. Grey can't tap into his Devil Slayer's magic too long, because it fulled his humanity's control. Natsu can't tap into Fire Dragon King Mode because of Magic reserve. Attacks are crazy strong and fulled very quickly.

Natsu has more feat and look more impressive due to area's massive explosion but I think we can't underestimate Grey. He was on par with END who made useless Dimaria's Magic and destroyed her. Both, at this moment, were above Neinhart and Dimaria. Feelings of anger and sadness made them crazy stronger.

It's only my opinion, I accept if you don't agree

 

[Tirl]

Physically, they are portrayed even since the beginning of the Manga

Never get tired for this

 

[Ronin31]

I do not remember that in the Manga but yeah, they have always been portrayed even. One time, Natsu wins, the other time it is Gray. They are match since childhood, like your picture....

 

[Axiomus]

For me it is 50/50 : Grey and Natsu are even : Natsu can melt Ice Make magic but not Devil's Magic Ice.

He can melt devil slaying magic too.

Spoiler

Actually Natsu melted lost iced shell, which is harder to melt than anything else. Not that it matters, because melting the ice isn't necessary. People who couldn't melt Gray's ice have managed to simply broken their way out of it with strength.

 

[Ramen]

Gray is not potrayed to be Natsu's equal. Like, at all.

 

[Axiomus]

Gray is not potrayed to be Natsu's equal. Like, at all.

There's some overlap. Gray at the peak of his POF (when he thought Juvia died) should be equal with Natsu's mid-to-high end feats. However Natsu at the peak of his POF (against Zeref) completely blows everyone else out of the water.

 

[Ramen]

There's some overlap. Gray at the peak of his POF (when he thought Juvia died) should be equal with Natsu's mid-to-high end feats. However Natsu at the peak of his POF (against Zeref) completely blows everyone else out of the water.

I don't get what you're saying here.

 

[Axiomus]

I don't get what you're saying here.

Peak POF Gray is comparable to some versions of Natsu. Just not peak POF Natsu.