Discussion Spriggan 12 General Thread

[Biri Biri]

The Spriggan 12 were like 12 different individuals that Zeref assembled base on how powerful their magic were. They were dysfunctional as a team, and didn't really operate like one. Their teamwork was non-existent, and aside from August and Invel who were loyal, the rest were either too temperamental and wildly unpredictable (Irene/Dimaria/Wall), massive egos who lack respect (Ajeel/Neinhart), motivation (Brandish), discipline (Larcade), or just straight up weird (Statham). Add to that, most of them had their own agendas and were never really committed to the cause. It's no wonder they failed to deliver.

And most of that blame can fall on Zeref imo. When your supposed leader is constantly flip-flopping around his goals, and can't decide on what he actually wants, you can't buy that person's leadership. It doesn't inspire confidence in the followers. Irene had to take matters into her own hand to give him a kick up his ass. If she hadn't owe Zeref a debt of gratitude and due to August's presence, she'd have likely usurp power. Larcade is always AWOL, Neinhart never obeys his commands, Brandish voices her disdain openly, Ajeel talks down to his new recruit (Serena), and etc. Even Invel used Ice Slave on Mavis because he doubted Zeref would be too soft and release her.

This is stark contrast to the likes of Oracions Seis, who had great teamwork and chemistry. They fought as a unit, and cared for one another since they were childhood friends during their time as prisoners in the old ToH. And Tartaros was led by a charismatic leader in Mard Geer. The likes of Kyouka, Seilah and Torafuzar were excellent followers. While the rest were mostly committed to the cause. They had a clear objective, formulated a plan and would've succeeded if an unaccountable factor in the dragons had not interfere.

 

[Acnologia2415]

Lol imagine if the Spriggan 12 actually cared about the war and had great teamwork. They would've soloed the verse except the God Dragons.

 

[Doughboy]

I think for that same reason is why the spriggan 12 was so much more fun and different than any other villain group outside of the oracion seis, which have the most chemistry out of any group in the story. The 7 Kin, Tartaros, and Avatar were all Zeref groupies, the spriggan 12 felt like actual people just working together cause of admiration of Zeref. August at the meeting said they all were pawns and they just accepted that (Brandish obv didn't like it but accepted it cause it was Zeref). You never got the sense they were going to betray or outright go against Zeref's orders without discussion like the negotiation with Brandish and August, add in OP magics and great character designs you get different overall energy which is why just small interactions between them or learning of them was hype during the final arc

Now 5 are dead, 1 is just a soul looking for a body, and the others scattered around. I wonder if we'll get a reflection from Brandish soon cause she said the quest was also a way to get away from all hassle of the rebuilding of the empire under Ajeel

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Brandish is my favorite one but she is extremely overrated when it comes to power. Gildarts, Laxus, Jellal, Erza and Natsu are definitely stronger than her. Can she really solo the entire Fairy Tail guild? Lmao.

 

[Zero001]

My favorites were:

Invel honestly he seemed more of a leader than August, he was even Zeref's right hand man, in fact before I saw August I thought he was the leader, as at least one of the few living villains who didn't turn good for random reasons after his defeat he didn't even have the forced sad story that now lately they do to the villains while or when they are defeated.

Dimaria the only one of the Spriggan women that I liked would have preferred her as Erza's rival than having invented and forced Irene into that arc, although that was also when she was treated as just a swordswoman before seeing what her power was, maybe have another to make a more credible fight between her and Erza? Okay whatever.

August he was clearly powerful although he never seemed like the leader of the group if not for his power, it's the problem that I saw in him.

Just those 3 the rest then .... God Serena seemed interesting being the number 1 wizard saint but in the end it didn't matter and although having several Slayer powers was as interesting we already had too many dragon slayers that another was just lack of ideas.

And the worst for me were Irene too forced and too many panels and dialogues wasted so that we had to accept that she was closed to August in power, Brandish since I saw her I didn't like the character, Larcade really don't understand the purpose of this character as in the end he ended up being a joke, Neinhart does anyone like this Spriggan ?.

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

My favorite is now Irene

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I like God Serena tho. Wasted potential (I'd like it if Mashima reveals us his three other elements). He's also underrated as hell. People are really ranking him below Brandish.

 

[PeanutButterJelly]

My favorite is now Irene

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I like God Serena tho. Wasted potential (I'd like it if Mashima reveals us his three other elements). He's also underrated as hell. People are really ranking him below Brandish.

Because he doesn' have the hax that the other Spriggan's do?
Brandish can just enlargen any of his organs and make them burst?
Be strong, but lacks any hax compared to the other Spriggan (aside from Ajeel).

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Because he doesn' have the hax that the other Spriggan's do?
Brandish can just enlargen any of his organs and make them burst?
Be strong, but lacks any hax compared to the other Spriggan (aside from Ajeel).

Hax does not make you stronger. Look at Neinhart. His Historias as pretty damn strong but he has shit stats, so does Brandish. Or Invel, who has a broken hax but does not have impressive combat feats.

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Because he doesn' have the hax that the other Spriggan's do?
Brandish can just enlargen any of his organs and make them burst?
Be strong, but lacks any hax compared to the other Spriggan (aside from Ajeel).

And don't bring Organ Bust since it has only hype to back it up and it's featless.

 

[PeanutButterJelly]

And don't bring Organ Bust since it has only hype to back it up and it's featless.

You mean like GS?
Dude, I get you like him but it's undeniable that hax is far to broken functiona wise than than someone who's just powerful.
It's easier to deal with him than someone who stops time, freezes your mind, teleports you and could execute you any time, can copy any magic to mastery level , enchants tf out of stuff, controls 3 urges, someone who kills by just being present, Wahl can just become immune to everything and anything, Neinhart isn't given credit due. Homie on his own fought more people than anyone else and he now goes free, he can revive up to 3 Spriggan members. At one time he kept the whole Hargeon town( Laxus, Erza, Jellal, Kagura, Gray, Lyon, Juvia, Meledy, Wendy) occupied. Tho GS was noted to weaker compared to being alive, the other 2 Sprigga easily can make for it.
Besides the top 3, all of them have the amount of magic power, sadly the other's hax gives them the edge.

 

[Ratrace]

My favorite is now Irene

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I like God Serena tho. Wasted potential (I'd like it if Mashima reveals us his three other elements). He's also underrated as hell. People are really ranking him below Brandish.

Even if he wasn’t that powerful i think his magic alone would make him difficult to beat

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Even if he wasn’t that powerful i think his magic alone would make him difficult to beat

Agreed.

 

[Zekiel]

Somebody alert me when Irene get her own body and she's fighting Serena. LOL the hype will be real. Irene is actually hilariously epic in the 100 year quest.

 

[Shiki_Dragneel]

A question to God Serena. Does GS have the memories of the historia events? Does he know that he fought against Gildarts?

 

[WoWfan]

A question to God Serena. Does GS have the memories of the historia events? Does he know that he fought against Gildarts?

We do not know that, it seems he only knew about where he died at the time of Alvarez.

 

[Garmadooon]

Since this thread is up I'd like to know: why do Brandish's stans think she can Organ Burst so easily when she hasn't even shown this ability ? How can Brandish VS FT or Brandish VS Diabolos threads exist when she can't even solo Lucy ?

 

[Shoutmon]

Since this thread is up I'd like to know: why do Brandish's stans think she can Organ Burst so easily when she hasn't even shown this ability ? How can Brandish VS FT or Brandish VS Diabolos threads exist when she can't even solo Lucy ?

I believe the organ burst thing comes mainly from Dimaria saying she could've done so (although it's still unclear if she can do that at a range).

As for the Lucy thing, she wanted to lose and was holding back to make it more believable, 'cause she knew that Dimaria was watching (on mobile, but it's chapter 501).

Note, I don't think she can actually solo either guild, just clarifying.

 

[Garmadooon]

I'm not buying the "Brandish held back on Lucy because Dimaria was watching her". Thing is, Lucy could overwhelm her with her basic attacks even when she was tiny. I could even argue why Current Lucy can beat Brandish.

Let me explain: in the fight Lucy/Cana VS Brandish she had no reason to hold back. She was mad at Lucy and wanted to kill her before Aquarius came back (a very bullshit moment by the way). Why didn't she burst her organs or Cana's? DiMaria wasn't there to watch her; she had no reason to be afraid.

And for those who say "Brandish One Shotted Natsu"

1- Natsu was caught off guard he didn't fight her
2- Natsu was weakened because of all the battles he chained
3- She took advantage of his tumor and his cancer to deceive him

 

[FireIce]

I'm not buying the "Brandish held back on Lucy because Dimaria was watching her". Thing is, Lucy could overwhelm her with her basic attacks even when she was tiny. I could even argue why Current Lucy can beat Brandish.

Let me explain: in the fight Lucy/Cana VS Brandish she had no reason to hold back. She was mad at Lucy and wanted to kill her before Aquarius came back (a very bullshit moment by the way). Why didn't she burst her organs or Cana's? DiMaria wasn't there to watch her; she had no reason to be afraid.

And for those who say "Brandish One Shotted Natsu"

1- Natsu was caught off guard he didn't fight her
2- Natsu was weakened because of all the battles he chained
3- She took advantage of his tumor and his cancer to deceive him

Tbh, I don't think Brandish wanted to kill Lucy at any point of the war.

 

[Shiki_Dragneel]

We do not know that, it seems he only knew about where he died at the time of Alvarez.

Ah okay. Thanks

Since this thread is up I'd like to know: why do Brandish's stans think she can Organ Burst so easily when she hasn't even shown this ability ? How can Brandish VS FT or Brandish VS Diabolos threads exist when she can't even solo Lucy ?

Well tbh most of the S12 hold back because of plot or because Hiro made them arrogant or they lost because their opponents were characters with the perfect counter magic like god slayer magic from Cherria. With that can we really say that some FT/Ishgar mage are stronger than the S12 members?

I don't know if Brandish can burst organs but what she can do ist to change the size of characters, if she can make Gajeel big like Aldoron, why she doesn't used it in the war against Ishgar? She could easlily make her servants or the S12 members so big like Aldoron.

If Dimaria wouldn't play with her opponents she could easily killed all of the MH and LS members in the war, even Wendy and Cherria they only won because of Cherrias god slayer magic and because Ultear came back to help them.....poor Dimaria.

Power scaling in the alvarez arc was bs. During the alvarez arc most of the S12 could easily kill their opponents without plot armor bs.

Same thing happened btw with Diabolos. No one of them used df in their battles. So we doesn't know if Laxus or Erza are stronger than Kirin or Misaki. But even with df, they would probably win because FT is not allowed to lose a battle.

 

[Garmadooon]

Tbh, I don't think Brandish wanted to kill Lucy at any point of the war.

It's hard to know. Brandish only changed his coat and his mind during the war. Now I can conceive that she wasn't trying against Lucy in their second fight. But the way she was overrated to levels where she shouldn't be really surprised me. The "Organ Burst" "solo Ishgar" are just a contrived plot invented by Randi simps. I've never seen anyone say that Wahl can solo Fairy Tail while he can fire Etherion at will. But Brandish's fans have been so ripped off by her Nation Destroyer title that they've created scenarios where she can One Shot an entire guild. His whole hype is based on his performance against an island of fodder.

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Ah okay. Thanks




Well tbh most of the S12 hold back because of plot or because Hiro made them arrogant or they lost because their opponents were characters with the perfect counter magic like god slayer magic from Cherria. With that can we really say that some FT/Ishgar mage are stronger than the S12 members?

I don't know if Brandish can burst organs but what she can do ist to change the size of characters, if she can make Gajeel big like Aldoron, why she doesn't used it in the war against Ishgar? She could easlily make her servants or the S12 members so big like Aldoron.

If Dimaria wouldn't play with her opponents she could easily killed all of the MH and LS members in the war, even Wendy and Cherria they only won because of Cherrias god slayer magic and because Ultear came back to help them.....poor Dimaria.

Power scaling in the alvarez arc was bs. During the alvarez arc most of the S12 could easily kill their opponents without plot armor bs.

Same thing happened btw with Diabolos. No one of them used df in their battles. So we doesn't know if Laxus or Erza are stronger than Kirin or Misaki. But even with df, they would probably win because FT is not allowed to lose a battle.

The only Alvarez characters that got nerfed and held back due to the plot IMO are Acnologia Zeref August Irene Bloodman God Serena. The other Spriggans have no excuse for their shitty performance and Glass Cannon level defense/durability.