Discussion Erza Scarlet Thread

[BluePegasus]

I think that Erza is overrated in many ways. Let me explain.

1). She took out a Spriggan, someone who should be stronger than a Wizard Saint. It's true that she got help from the Jupiter cannon, but the cannon didn't take Ajeel out. Erza did. Her Nakagami Armor may be strong, but it shouldn't be strong enough to defeat a Spriggan so easily.

2). She stopped unsealed Archenemy like it was nothing. Archenemy, the sword of Kagura, was strong enough to overpower a lot of strong mages while it was sealed. Kagura did even overpower Erza at the beginning of their battle. But then, she just blocked Archenemy while it was unsealed with her sword. I didn't really get that, Archenemy should be way stronger once it is unsealed.

3). She defeated Azuma in a territory where he should be undefeatable.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

I think that Erza is overrated in many ways. Let me explain.

1). She took out a Spriggan, someone who should be stronger than a Wizard Saint. It's true that she got help from the Jupiter cannon, but the cannon didn't take Ajeel out. Erza did. Her Nakagami Armor may be strong, but it shouldn't be strong enough to defeat a Spriggan so easily.

2). She stopped unsealed Archenemy like it was nothing. Archenemy, the sword of Kagura, was strong enough to overpower a lot of strong mages while it was sealed. Kagura did even overpower Erza at the beginning of their battle. But then, she just blocked Archenemy while it was unsealed with her sword. I didn't really get that, Archenemy should be way stronger once it is unsealed.

3). She defeated Azuma in a territory where he should be undefeatable.

You are right she would have lost against ajeel and azuma if it's wasn't for nakama power and the plot . I hope dimaria destroy her. I mean she always win with Pof she would have lost so many times without that, and it's for that i hate nakama power

 

[REN KOUEN]

I was under the impression that gildarts didn't really do anything against acknologia. We saw how laxus with DS magic fared against atlasflame and zirconis... Even with power comparable to gildarts his DS magic didn't do anything against dragons weaker than acknologia. A mage of gildarts class can simply never hope to offer acknologia any form of resistance. If gildarts survived its not because he had the skill to actually oppose acknologia but rather because acknologia thought nothing of him. Even when acknologia fought makarov and FT gildarts made the point that acknologia was fooling around with them. And when the roar came not one of them was able to offer resistance. Gildarts survived because either acknologia didn't care enough to finish him. And even then he lost a bunch of organs and limbs.

Beating zeref? The manga has shown that even freaking makarov and his superior wizard saints fall short of a single one of zeref's lackeys, the springan. Gildarts is someone that with difficulty won against bluenote whom current natsu defeated in an instant. The power gildarts had 1 year ago is not a benchmark of anything anymore. Gildarts could have grown stronger over the past year but even if he did his power will probably at best be comparable to one of the springan which should still fall short of zeref. Maybe august will be special but even then I would be skeptical of him holding his ground against zeref.

you are right he didnt do anything against acknologia, but he lived, while ack whiped out EVERYONE else in FT
i will agree that all of those guys have caught up , i believe gildarts could beat makarov, i dont know whether gildarts has gotten stronger or not. i would love to see he and natsu spar to see who is stronger

but back to erza, she is probably still top 5 in FT, i believe she is just ahead of gray and just behind natsu and laxus

 

[Ice devil slayer]

you are right he didnt do anything against acknologia, but he lived, while ack whiped out EVERYONE else in FT
i will agree that all of those guys have caught up , i believe gildarts could beat makarov, i dont know whether gildarts has gotten stronger or not. i would love to see he and natsu spar to see who is stronger

but back to erza, she is probably still top 5 in FT, i believe she is just ahead of gray and just behind natsu and laxus

I think gray and erza are equals currently

 

[REN KOUEN]

I think gray and erza are equals currently

very possible, i havent read anything past the tartaros arc so i need to catch up

i still do not believe erza is overrated

 

[Firepower]

Erza is very versatile. Her weapons are capable of different elements. Armor that are resistant to to elements also. In her fight with Ajeel, Bisca gave a big assist with the Jupiter shot, then followed up and finished with Erza's attack. Ajeel got an assist also with Marin not allowing Erza to requip. That made Erza get dried up and sapped energy longer from Ajeel's attack.

Some of you are reading the wrong manga. This manga is all about power of feelings, whether it be feelings of revenge or whatever it is that drives each character. So much hate on Erza, but Natsu is driven just as much to be able to protect his friends. That's kind of why Natsu beat Sting and Rogue after Natsu and Gajeel were getting beaten down by Sting alone. Both Gajeel and Natsu were ready to take them both on afterwards because of their will and what drives them. Tenrou arc Gajeel was pushed to his limits and had to think of what was driving him to keep fighting. Gray fights with Ur as his motivation along with his guild, his family.

Nakama brings the drama and unpredictability in ft. For those who understand, you know Erza is likely the next guild master. While gathering back together after a year, and without Makarov, she was guild master and Mashima gave a hint that she be a great choice for future master. When Purehito asked Makarov to be next master, Makarov was a young guy who thought he didn't have the qualities for the position. Purehito told him that he is selfless and cares deeply for his friends and that is why Makarov was chosen. That's the same drive Erza has. Her friends are always in her mind. Against Kyoka, who do you guys think would win with that bs ability to have all senses taken away, while having pain receptors heightened to maximum. Nakama is the only option to deal with the pain, and drive to fight on. Before her senses were taken away she was kicking ass, even had extra for Minerva in between. She's like Goku who likes a good fight and takes her time to warm up. Vegeta, always seeking power and winning in a flashy serious fashion never reached Goku.

 

[Erza Scarlett]

I have a question regarding Erza's eyes: does the artificial eye have any advantages i.c.w. an normal eye?

 

[kkck]

I have a question regarding Erza's eyes: does the artificial eye have any advantages i.c.w. an normal eye?

The only one I can recall is that it was not affected by midnights illusions.

 

[Shasha23]

The only one I can recall is that it was not affected by midnights illusions.

It also helped her against Eva's eye ability and didn't it also help her against Kyouka since she was able to see and hit her because of it?

 

[iDooom]

A lot of people here seem to think that Erza is a tier or two below the Spriggans and can't fight them 1v1 (or even 2v1). I'm going to argue here that Erza is a Spriggan tier character. Based on recent chapters, I will assume Ajeel is at least somewhat typical of a Spriggan in terms of power.

Erza (without magic) endured a few minutes of a casual attack from Ajeel and was able to fight reasonably well afterwards. Now let's do a comparison with Tartaros arc characters (whose PLs are well defined). Let's take Natsu's punches (without magic) as an approximation of Ajeel's spell. Now if Tartaros Natsu were to punch Tartaros Gray for a few minutes, Gray would likely still reasonably fine afterwards. If instead Natsu were to punch Lucy or Max for a few minutes, I doubt that would be the case. Tartaros Gray and Natsu were on the same tier of power tier, but Lucy and Max would be a tier or two below Natsu. Hence, I would say that Erza most likely has Spriggan tier durability, especially since she also tanked Ramel Sayf.

Ajeel's durability >> Bluenote's, and he also tanked Jupiter without much damage. Erza dealt significant damage to Ajeel with sword strikes and finished him with Nakagami Starlight. Compare this to GOI vs Serena, where the GOI were unable to significantly damage God Serena even after catching him off guard. Based on this, Erza has Spriggan tier attacks which deal a lot of damage (but don't have much AoE).

Now let's look at speed. In the first part of the fight, Ajeel and Erza seemed to have comparable speed. After getting her magic back, Erza landed a hit and knocked Ajeel into the side of the cabin. Then later, Erza blitzed Ajeel and cut him twice from a fair bit of distance away. You could argue that Ajeel was distracted, but it wasn't like Natsu actually attacked Ajeel. Therefore, Erza has Spriggan tier speed.

Since Erza has Spriggan tier durability, attacks, and speed, she is Spriggan tier in general. The only stat that's questionable is MP, but we don't really have a good way of measuring this (especially with different magic types). People can still argue that Ajeel is stronger than Erza. I won't argue with that, but I think that we do not have enough information to know that for sure.

 

[BluePegasus]

A lot of people here seem to think that Erza is a tier or two below the Spriggans and can't fight them 1v1 (or even 2v1). I'm going to argue here that Erza is a Spriggan tier character. Based on recent chapters, I will assume Ajeel is at least somewhat typical of a Spriggan in terms of power.

Erza (without magic) endured a few minutes of a casual attack from Ajeel and was able to fight reasonably well afterwards. Now let's do a comparison with Tartaros arc characters (whose PLs are well defined). Let's take Natsu's punches (without magic) as an approximation of Ajeel's spell. Now if Tartaros Natsu were to punch Tartaros Gray for a few minutes, Gray would likely still reasonably fine afterwards. If instead Natsu were to punch Lucy or Max for a few minutes, I doubt that would be the case. Tartaros Gray and Natsu were on the same tier of power tier, but Lucy and Max would be a tier or two below Natsu. Hence, I would say that Erza most likely has Spriggan tier durability, especially since she also tanked Ramel Sayf.

Ajeel's durability >> Bluenote's, and he also tanked Jupiter without much damage. Erza dealt significant damage to Ajeel with sword strikes and finished him with Nakagami Starlight. Compare this to GOI vs Serena, where the GOI were unable to significantly damage God Serena even after catching him off guard. Based on this, Erza has Spriggan tier attacks which deal a lot of damage (but don't have much AoE).

Now let's look at speed. In the first part of the fight, Ajeel and Erza seemed to have comparable speed. After getting her magic back, Erza landed a hit and knocked Ajeel into the side of the cabin. Then later, Erza blitzed Ajeel and cut him twice from a fair bit of distance away. You could argue that Ajeel was distracted, but it wasn't like Natsu actually attacked Ajeel. Therefore, Erza has Spriggan tier speed.

Since Erza has Spriggan tier durability, attacks, and speed, she is Spriggan tier in general. The only stat that's questionable is MP, but we don't really have a good way of measuring this (especially with different magic types). People can still argue that Ajeel is stronger than Erza. I won't argue with that, but I think that we do not have enough information to know that for sure.

I must disagree with you.

In my opinion, Erza is below Spriggan tier. A lot of people seem to overpower her because they think she defeated a Spriggan herself. Actually, she didn't.

Erza did put up a good fight against Ajeel, but in the end she almost lost to him. In fact, Erza would be defeated by Ajeel if Jupiter didn't hit him. This does already proof that Ajeel is strong enough to take down Erza. And since Ajeel is a low tier Spriggan, Erza can't be a Spriggan tier herself.

Yes, she did get her final blow with Nakagami Starlight. But she wouldn't if Bisca didn't hit Ajeel with Jupiter. Ajeel was defeated by Jupiter + Nakagami Starlight, so Erza didn't solo him.

There are also a lot of people who think Erza is a Spriggan Tier because she could stop Jupiter while Ajeel was hit by it. But that's nonsense, because Ajeel splitted Jupiter like it was nothing.

I don't think anyone instead of the Spriggan Twelve is at Spriggan tier. Laxus took out Wahl with Freed's help. Erza took out Ajeel with Bisca's help. Laxus come close, but to me he is still one tier below Spriggan tier.

 

[kkck]

I don't agree with erza being a match to ajir. Erza did spectacularly well however it is important to note ajir spent most of the fight holding back his strength and taking a rather casual approach to the fight. It is true that erza didn't have magic for a portion of the fight. But if we consider that ajir was holding back anyways and getting back her magic allowed erza to hit ajir then it was never that severe a handicap. If anything it is entirely possible that the first hit erza landed was due to her magic returning catching ajir off guard. When ajir got serious against a serious erza what we saw was ajir absolutely wrecking erza and that was after taking her swords straight to the chest. That's why ajir had her literally from the neck before erza used light to get biska to shoot jupiter and why even after a jupiter hit erza used her nakagami armor, her absolute strongest armor so far. Erza as we saw her was simply not a match for ajir, without the help she got she would have been at best an inconvenient for ajir.

 

[iDooom]

I don't agree with erza being a match to ajir. Erza did spectacularly well however it is important to note ajir spent most of the fight holding back his strength and taking a rather casual approach to the fight. It is true that erza didn't have magic for a portion of the fight. But if we consider that ajir was holding back anyways and getting back her magic allowed erza to hit ajir then it was never that severe a handicap. If anything it is entirely possible that the first hit erza landed was due to her magic returning catching ajir off guard. When ajir got serious against a serious erza what we saw was ajir absolutely wrecking erza and that was after taking her swords straight to the chest. That's why ajir had her literally from the neck before erza used light to get biska to shoot jupiter and why even after a jupiter hit erza used her nakagami armor, her absolute strongest armor so far. Erza as we saw her was simply not a match for ajir, without the help she got she would have been at best an inconvenient for ajir.

Ajeel defeating Erza "easily" does not mean that Erza isn't Spriggan tier. I don't see a character below Spriggan tier dealing with Ajeel as well as Erza did (without an elemental advantage or something). If Ajeel were to fight Brandish, I'd see Ajeel winning fairly easily because Brandish's mass magic would be pretty useless (what does Brandish do, shrink sand? It's still going to be there). However, Brandish may have an easier time against Wahl or Serena than Ajeel simply due to how their magic matches up. We can have A>B>C>A logic apply here. What I'm doing here is taking into account their strength overall, including all stats and strengths and weaknesses.

 

[kkck]

Ajeel defeating Erza "easily" does not mean that Erza isn't Spriggan tier. I don't see a character below Spriggan tier dealing with Ajeel as well as Erza did (without an elemental advantage or something). If Ajeel were to fight Brandish, I'd see Ajeel winning fairly easily because Brandish's mass magic would be pretty useless (what does Brandish do, shrink sand? It's still going to be there). However, Brandish may have an easier time against Wahl or Serena than Ajeel simply due to how their magic matches up. We can have A>B>C>A logic apply here. What I'm doing here is taking into account their strength overall, including all stats and strengths and weaknesses.

Doesn't it? It is plausible there is a springan erza can match without help but so far there is no evidence pointing to such a thing. Given how things have developed so far to me it looks like how erza fared against ajir is more or less a best case scenario for her. As for brandish, I do think you are underestimating her. Her actually shrinking sand is a real possibility. As in, ajir's sand world suddenly being the size of, say, lucy's house.

 

[Damon blevins]

Ajeel defeating Erza "easily" does not mean that Erza isn't Spriggan tier. I don't see a character below Spriggan tier dealing with Ajeel as well as Erza did (without an elemental advantage or something). If Ajeel were to fight Brandish, I'd see Ajeel winning fairly easily because Brandish's mass magic would be pretty useless (what does Brandish do, shrink sand? It's still going to be there). However, Brandish may have an easier time against Wahl or Serena than Ajeel simply due to how their magic matches up. We can have A>B>C>A logic apply here. What I'm doing here is taking into account their strength overall, including all stats and strengths and weaknesses.

Ajeel was also needed by having to fight in a confined ship in the air. I can't even imagine how bad it would have for her if the battle had taken place on the ground.

 

[iDooom]

Doesn't it? It is plausible there is a springan erza can match without help but so far there is no evidence pointing to such a thing. Given how things have developed so far to me it looks like how erza fared against ajir is more or less a best case scenario for her. As for brandish, I do think you are underestimating her. Her actually shrinking sand is a real possibility. As in, ajir's sand world suddenly being the size of, say, lucy's house.

We've barely seen any Spriggans fight yet, so that doesn't mean a whole lot. Yes Ajeel didn't use his full power at the start, but he did have to resort to his strongest spell. And it's not as if Erza started off in AF or Benizakura, which she would if she was going all out.

I don't think Brandish can shrink sand world since its a lot of individual sand particles in the air. Even if she shrinks the sand it'll still be there and might even be worse since it'll be easy to inhale it. Plus, allergies lol. xP

Ajeel was also needed by having to fight in a confined ship in the air. I can't even imagine how bad it would have for her if the battle had taken place on the ground.

I don't think it would have changed much tbh. Which spells were limited by Ajeel being on the ship? Erza would still be able to blow away all of Ajeel's sand attacks except for maybe Sands of Death. And Sand World would still be Ajeel's strongest spell. It's not as if Ajeel was limited on the amount of sand he had available to him.

I would consider Ajeel to be severely disadvantaged if he were fighting in the middle of the ocean. I would consider him at an advantage if he were fighting in a desert. Fighting on a flying ship and on rocky ground doesn't seem all that different and is mainly neutral.

 

[Brandish μ]

It was clear to me from the Ajeel fight that Erza isn't at his level. Once he got serious he shut her down quite quickly, and without assistance or Ajeel's demand to be called a god it would have ended rather unfortunately for her. She basically acknowledged that there is a difference in her and his capabilities while in Sandworld. These differences in my view are enough to separate Ajeel and Erza by a tier.

What is also clear is that someone like Erza can actually stand up to a Spriggan and not get stomped, and with help defeat a Spriggan 12. To me she is on par with the GoI (Hyberion), which might be unfair to her because she's out-performed them.

 

[GodOfDestruction]

I made this to talk Erza. First I wanted to make a thread about the power she showed back against Neinhart. But I thought a whole Erza thread would be better.

But I want to start a topic on Ezra's new power.
Discuss in the comments.

 

[Demon Hunter]

what new power??? did I miss anything???

 

[Takuan]

what new power??? did I miss anything???

He's talking about the new "power" she displayed when she made Neinhart's Historias vanish by simply saying "Begone" and staring at them. Her eyes seemed somewhat different than usual and Neinhart recognized something related to Irene in that power