Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[King Moe]

I dunno what difficulty tbh, but it doesn't seem to be that high if he could take out Page One so quickly even with a suit that enhances abilities.

He didn't even use named techniques, Haki (well Armament, Idk about invisible kind), or DJ. Every hit was unnamed even the first hit before wearing RS brought Page One to the ground. So at best it would be mid-diff/mid-diff+, if Page was pushed back and felt pain on unnamed attacks.

 

[hokageji]

P1 could've underestimated the ability of the soba shop owner, but sending him there was definitely an overkill to begin with. While Sanji being invisible definitely played to his advantage, the guard part should've changed the minute he got kicked by Sanji...

We know zoans have great resiliency. I dont think Sanji vs Page One even completed. Sanji just quickly trashed him enough to be temporarily not cause some damage in that area and left. Page One is probably still looking for soba owner at the wrong place. If that battle didnt complete, we will see Sanji take him down in upcoming chapters without the suit.

 

[King Moe]

P1 could've underestimated the ability of the soba shop owner, but sending him there was definitely an overkill to begin with. While Sanji being invisible definitely played to his advantage, the guard part should've changed the minute he got kicked by Sanji...

We know zoans have great resiliency. I dont think Sanji vs Page One even completed. Sanji just quickly trashed him enough to be temporarily not cause some damage in that area and left. Page One is probably still looking for soba owner at the wrong place. If that battle didnt complete, we will see Sanji take him down in upcoming chapters without the suit.

I think he is down for good. Law and Sanji were serious on knocking him out or else he tell his comrades where they are and plays good chance he would smell Sanji and track him down by his scent.

Not much to give reason why PO is active if they were serious of how he can be trouble for them. Plus they mention it be good to 'dwindle' their forces down which makes take down completely.

All signs are pointing more PO is defeated than active around the area especially Sanji would have told them latest chapter if he was.

 

[hokageji]

Well he could be down but to be sure, we need something more information in the manga. Anyways, lets see.. my point is Sanji vs P1 without raid suit may happen too.

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Also, we've seen Zoans show way better recovery once they've been taken down. In awakened mode, its almost a complete recovery. If these zoans are gonna be awakened users, then P1 could be making a comeback sooner than later.

 

[King Moe]

Well he could be down but to be sure, we need something more information in the manga. Anyways, lets see.. my point is Sanji vs P1 without raid suit may happen too.

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Also, we've seen Zoans show way better recovery once they've been taken down. In awakened mode, its almost a complete recovery. If these zoans are gonna be awakened users, then P1 could be making a comeback sooner than later.

Pretty sure the type to finish the job if he snakes a bold statement chapters ago. Don't think he still be active with all signs so far against the other route.

Idk, tell that to CP9 who were defeat and knock out for awhile despite their certain members Zoans abilities. Then again PO has Ancient one, but still he was already screaming pain loudly from ease of Sanji's kicks, so if Sanji went harder, he won't last that long between their fight.

 

[Takuan]

I'm sorry to butt in like that, especially if the answer to my question has already been talked about. But in regards to that Zoan recovery thing, isn't it only a thing for Zoan users with awakened DF? I think that the moment it was said this about Zoan's recovering was in Impel Down, about Minotaure and the other Zoan guardians. Didn't Crocodile state that this recovery was due to the Awakening of their DF?
Are we sure that every Zoan user has a better recovery?

 

[hokageji]

They have heightened physical traits in general. So to an extent, they do show a little better recovery.
BUt yea, awakening specifically brings advanced recovery...Of those, the guards in Impel down are poor examples of these, they never seem to revert back to their human forms. They are probably just Vegapunk's creations....

Awakened DF users outside probably exhibit additional characteristics.

 

[King Moe]

They have heightened physical traits in general. So to an extent, they do show a little better recovery.
BUt yea, awakening specifically brings advanced recovery...Of those, the guards in Impel down are poor examples of these, they never seem to revert back to their human forms. They are probably just Vegapunk's creations....

Awakened DF users outside probably exhibit additional characteristics.

Well don't think PO has Awakening from what we seen. He would have try harder after Sanji dish out pain back and forth. In that case he won't recover much at all as you said.

Its best to say he more defeated more in that case.

 

[XXGenesis]

I dont see why its hard to accept P1 lost...This is facts. His job was to defeat the Soba user/capture. Sanji is back with the crew healthy. Meaning P1 failed & Sanji succeeded in his mission of dwindling down the forces of Kaidou & Orochi.

As to if P1 is off the map. We saw Sanji land 2 heavy attacks & managed to escape. It's Sanji win

Let's wait & see how bad the ass whooping was. But P1 did lose.

 

[M3J]

I dont see why its hard to accept P1 lost...This is facts. His job was to defeat the Soba user/capture. Sanji is back with the crew healthy. Meaning P1 failed & Sanji succeeded in his mission of dwindling down the forces of Kaidou & Orochi.

As to if P1 is off the map. We saw Sanji land 2 heavy attacks & managed to escape. It's Sanji win

Let's wait & see how bad the ass whooping was. But P1 did lose.

Get your common sense and logic out of here! Don't you see you can only criticize Sanji or make him look bad here?

 

[hokageji]

Well don't think PO has Awakening from what we seen. He would have try harder after Sanji dish out pain back and forth. In that case he won't recover much at all as you said.

Its best to say he more defeated more in that case.

Yea, i am with you on that, but since its not confirmed it leaves a chance that Sanji left that area.

dont see why its hard to accept P1 lost...This is facts

Cos its not shown in the manga... Its not a fact till its shown. It is highly likely, sure....... There was no word on it in the chapter, only the spoiler said P1 lost which is what lot of people are riding on...

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[XXGenesis]

Cos its not shown in the manga... Its not a fact till its shown. It is highly likely, sure....... There was no word on it in the chapter, only the spoiler said P1 lost which is what lot of people are riding on...

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It is shown. Not in the desire many want. P1's job was to defeat the Soba user...P1 did not do that... Sanji's goal was to take out one of the enemies or deal them damage, hurting their forces; Sanji has returned in very good health...The winner is clear.

What we are used to, and what most want is scans of P1 banged up, or defeated. Or Sanji mentioning his victory with comments on his fight. It's not needed yet. We know the 2 objectives the characters had, P1 did not accomplish his goal, while Sanji , to which extent, we know and it's not farfetched to presumed he banged up P1 before he got out of there..Thats a win.

 

[hokageji]

@XXGenesis
My point is not on capability of Sanji. Surely he can but Oda has offpaged it so there could be more. He can just decide to show us the whole fight now, or show us a resumption of the fight at a later stage.
Nevertheless, its frustrating to see Sanji not get the fight he need. Even if its obvious or not, we deserved to see the fight.

 

[King Moe]

Yea, i am with you on that, but since its not confirmed it leaves a chance that Sanji left that area.


Cos its not shown in the manga... Its not a fact till its shown. It is highly likely, sure....... There was no word on it in the chapter, only the spoiler said P1 lost which is what lot of people are riding on...

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Though this isn't the first time Oda off-screen a fight and we get results later of the defeat. Look at Blackbeard vs Ace, Sabo vs Vice Admiral (Forgot his name), Hawkins vs BrownBeard, etc..

So its more likely we see a scene of Drake and Hawkins looking at Page's beaten body in next or future chapters. I wouldn't be surprised and again Sanji would have say something last chapter if PO is crucial on being active. He didn't which shows he did the deed on knocking him out for good.

 

[hokageji]

Sabo vs Bastile you mean?

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He got one shotted, that doesnt make it off page.... Hawkins vs BB is something i can agree with, but they arent important characters.....

Anyways, lets hope we see a flashback. I really want to see Sanji in action, with or without the RS.

 

[King Moe]

Sabo vs Bastile you mean?

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He got one shotted, that doesnt make it off page.... Hawkins vs BB is something i can agree with, but they arent important characters.....

Anyways, lets hope we see a flashback. I really want to see Sanji in action, with or without the RS.

Really? My bad, but remember it was cut off so we didn't see Sabo cracking his mask and laying him down if I recall. That was off-screen.

Sanji is important character too and with showing off the RS from Oda, doubt he make it dehype it like that when it's important for Sanji for it's uses as well Sanji's fighting prowess as well since he will later face off an YC from how it looks.

So far latest chapter, still nothing from the fight, but it's more unlike Page One is active now. If he was, by now he would have catch up or be around the area if Sanji never took him down. Time is moving on, so it gives more proof that Page is defeated if he didn't come to their area still. Plus Sanji didn't mention it at all and wouldn't leave his friends like that without mentioning crucial part of Page is coming to them. So happy to see Sanji did the deed that he set out to do .

 

[hokageji]

@King Moe

Of course Sanji's important, that is why you cannot offpage his fight. I am with you that Sanji can win, with or without raid suit. Anyways, lets not discuss about Sanji vs P1 whether it completed or not, specially since we are on the same page on his ability atleast.

 

[XXGenesis]

That's a lot of ppl point. Sanji is important but has not seemed that way since Dressosa. & he wasn't stellar in WCI. ODA owes Sanji A lot....

Since the brief clash with Vergo which shows Sanji was weaker than his foe. Sanji does not get to redeem his pride with the fans, he gets a brief notable save the Day against Doffy but its short lived, he gets caught and almost loses. Which isn't to be held against Sanji, Doffy was the main Villain. But after Sanji is depressive during WCI, he never fights off Bege or Pekoms at Zou. & Oda doesn't have Sanji defeat anyone noteworthy from BMP Ministers. Bobbin was a 100k pirate, that's more Fishman island type fodder. He barely saves Luffy getting help from his family he hates....Fast foward to Wano, Oda is off screening Sanji taking the opportunity to defeat a Beast Pirate member, & shows his RS....

ODA needs to stop the shit, & give Sanji some more respect.

 

[M3J]

I dunno, I think Oda tried to give Sanji enough respect. Oda had Doflamingo compliment Sanji, and he showed us that Luffy's Gear 4 was what saved him from Doflamingo binding him up, the same thing he did to Sanji. Even against Vergo we see Sanji moving around like he never was in a fight, and Sanji was forced to go along with Bege in Zou because blackmail.

And Sanji still saved Luffy, despite the overwhelming numbers (which even Luffy couldn't deal with before he and Nami got captured).

 

[Pirate Queen]

Sanji gets plenty of respect it's just that people refuse to acknowledge his accomplishments or down play the feat he does have to suit a certain narrative.

If Sanji was valued unbiasedly, he wouldn't get the kind of disrespect seen currently.

Oda does plenty for Sanji, he cant control how his reads choose to negatively view him

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I dunno, I think Oda tried to give Sanji enough respect. Oda had Doflamingo compliment Sanji, and he showed us that Luffy's Gear 4 was what saved him from Doflamingo binding him up, the same thing he did to Sanji. Even against Vergo we see Sanji moving around like he never was in a fight, and Sanji was forced to go along with Bege in Zou because blackmail.

And Sanji still saved Luffy, despite the overwhelming numbers (which even Luffy couldn't deal with before he and Nami got captured).

Well said