And with that, our maintenance and website upgrade is complete. The features originally found on our beta website, as mentioned in this
news post have made it live. Does this, however, mean we're entirely finished with development on MH2.3?
In a word, "No".
The new system is here because of some coherent flaws with the older, less structured and more archaic method of having "everything be a forum post". Content aggregation, release archives, proper searches and other functionality was simply not possibly having every release be a forum post as there was simply no way to parse out all the data you needed from one automatically.
The new system might seem a bit unfamiliar at first, mainly due to the "where is my old menu?!?!?!?" comments, but once you learn to appreciate how modular and sectioned this new version has been built, those complaints will become a thing of the past. Despite human psychology 101 dictating that most people dislike change, sometimes it is necessary in order to evolve forward.
With that said, please keep your eyes open and give us feedback on how to improve our favorite Manga Community - in a constructive and courteous manner, of course!
Let the next generation of MH begin.
all on the menu~
As for the forums, check out "my forums" and it'll send you where you want to go. We'll have that customisable later so you can use it to get to the forums you choose~ but that'll happen in the near future~
Like njt said, it's still in the menu. Go to
Downloads > Browse EN Scans or
Downloads > Browse RAWs
Also, instead of having access to "common" manga, now you can have easy access to your favorites --
-- Go to Manga > browse (http://mangahelpers.com/manga/browse/).
-- Search for your manga, and click the name
-- Click "I'm a fan!"
-- The manga's now added to your favorites menu for easy access, and you can get to the forums from there (forums tab)
Also are the RTS threads gone? I liked everything all nicely in one little area, now I have to check 3, instead of just one. :(
Change is good, but it just doesn't seem very streamline or easily accessible to me.
From the look of it, it's horrrrrrrrible.
You guys ever heard of the old saying "if it aint broke, dont fix it"?
Because for sure and sundry, you broke the perfectly servicable design that stood the test of time.
The downloads are automatically sorted by date posted -- http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/?lang=en
"Also are the RTS threads gone? I liked everything all nicely in one little area, now I have to check 3, instead of just one. :("
They're not gone, but archived here: http://mangahelpers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=839
Also, it's easy to check your r/t/s once you're on a particular manga. For example, Naruto: http://mangahelpers.com/manga/details/naruto/chapters/
(You could also just click the scanlations, translations, and raws tabs from the same place, if you want to view them separately)
the details page itself ( http://mangahelpers.com/manga/details/naruto )
also provides r/t/s functions on the right side =3
So, if you add them to your favorite manga ("I'm a fan" button) then you'll have an easy-to-access personal r/t/s section up in your 'my favorites' menu.
Aside from the ability to subscribe to r/t/s of a series independently =D
And I liked the collapsable news bar for the new translations and scanlations and raws and such, it's a lot faster to look at than to look through lists.
Also maybe putting the One Piece, Bleach, Naruto, Eyeshield, D.Gray-man at the top again would be nice, but that's not so necessary now.
Also - on the raw page, it list each chapter seperately for what appears to be a mass upload of a volume (or just someone scanned alot of chapters - the culprit being airgear) would it be much cleaner to have those all either fall under a tree view - esp if they were uploaded at the same time? it would take up less pages and be much easier to sort through, I look at the page and am completely inundated by 25 chapters of one manga.
sorry i forgot the constructive part of the constructive criticism.
the site looks a lot prettier =)
I've been using this site for about 1.5-2 years... (I didn't register because I could just click the links) and sorry to be blunt but this is the 2nd worst layout design you guys have come up with... there worst one was the one you guys came up with to work with IE 7 and really really did not work with IE 6.
I now seriously can not find anything I want unless I go to home and click forums.
maybe I'm just stupid but I think the bulk of the people in the world are stupid too =D.
and I've always been told that it's good to sandwich the bad with 2 good criticism so um.. there seems to be a lot more options in the menus, more choice is generally good for the people.
RSS releases i would like to control their order as i would like scans at top followed by raws then translations.
A good place to start is Manga > Browse (http://mangahelpers.com/manga/browse/)
@kewl0210 -- Well, we still have the "threads" in a sense, because you can still comment & give thanks on every r/t/s. So the "community" part is still there, to me at least. Even moreso, because of the new profile pages for scanlators & translators now.
@VASSiLi -- no, you can't go back to the old system. The beta is "live" now.
@Kim -- I know the downloads section is swamped with tons of chapters now (yes, those are individual scans), but that's only because we were working recently on uploading lots of old stuff to the database. On a normal day, you obviously wouldn't see hundreds of raws for the same series all uploaded. It's sorted by date, so a week from now it'll look more manageable. :)
Everything is cool I just want the old top bar back.
It may not have every file you want *yet* because people have yet to upload it ^^;;
But it'll all be updated within the day so ._. take a few and look around, it really is a lot easier to find things. I promise.
As for finding forums. In other forums, you typically don't have guides to help you find them... So if you open the forum index, Press Ctrl + F you'll find naruto, one piece and anything else you normally check out.
In a few we'll update it so you can have all your favorite forums in your menu (yes, unlike before it'll be customizable) letting you be lazy again and not even need to look at the forum index :p
But yep, just take a moment to use the site. You'll like it. Trust me, it's so much easier to find things now.
Eh? so you want the time and date someone posts a trans/scans to not matter? That wouldn't be very effecient
How would you know when something new was out if you were say, wanting something from the translator zindryr?
That's probably a bug, we'll get that corrected soon (expect a few hours programmer is asleep ._.)
Or, you could select the drop down menu and start typing and it'll go right to that name.
I can't really say that I enjoy this new layout, but then again I didn't like the last one in the beginning either.
@eQuek -- what browser are you using? FYI, IE6 is not supported. May I suggest firefox?
EDIT: Ups, sorry, I didn't read a post above mine :D
Adding subcategories for Manga->(Popular->list)&&(Top rated->list) ?
From manga browser it would be nice to filter by genre.
The image next to "My Actions> My Forums>" is displayed on top of mh path (MangaHelpers.com > News > Website News....). Os: Mac OS X 10.4, Firefox 3.0.4
In short, least clicks & search for most popular features. I can see what is behind the re-structuring, but it's not accesible. A lot of small things at first sight like "add raw" under downloads. That is not logical, and most people download from downloads. It should at least be the bottom most. Actually I think there could be a separate "contribute->(add scanlation, add translation, add raw, etc) and have scanlators and translators under "work groups" or some such for a place for groups to present themselves.
Deeper and well thought out menus would help the usability a lot I think (my ideas necesarily aren't such =).
i luv the new layout and its easier to find things too
its kinda slower..
While I agree 100% on the notion that if you have to learn something it might not be the best designed, you fail to take into account that what you are talking about is going from zero experience to new site.
When dealing with a re-design, there *will always* be a learning curve, especially if whole sections are new and navigation has been updated to reflect that.
I am going to guess you have spent a total of what, 5 minutes looking for it? The urls for the old manga forums is unchanged, and the "index" you're talking about resides outside the forums in form of the Manga Section.
Because there were too many limitations with the old system. ->Forum Software<- is not designed to be a resource the size MH had it ghetto running as for downloads, translations, etc.
As for links changing; there was no room left to add *any* links previously. What if a new superhit of a series was released and we wanted to cover it? It would have had to replace something else in the menu entirely due to spatial limitations. This is just one of probably 50 things we came up with for why things needed to evolve.
Do you mean like this? http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/?lang=en
There is a filter on the right side of the page. Mark the language you prefer, simple as that!
I miss the old release box. It was a convenient way to get to the most popular releases. The "my favorite" and alert functions help defuse that loss to some extent, and help me keep track of my manga. Two clicks to get to the newest chapter? Great!
Some of the menu items in the header (image gallery under website, but also a first level item) are poorly organized.
I'm also unhappy with the order of the elements in the right column of the main page. The featured manga is somewhere at the bottom, so is the cloud and the activity stats are on top, over the releases. Activity stats are not really that important. Stop waving them around.
The new functions are great, the design is ok and the layout is still somewhat lacking, since it emphasizes the wrong elements.
The flag indicates English language. So the question I presume you're really asking is, why not the American flag? Well, why not the British one? English is a language pertaining to many more countries than just those two :)
ty for the works, will figure this out like the last muwahahaha
(so i wudnt be lost for so long)
Actually no my original and real question was about the front page about just English being on the scanlator front... And the British flag was just a normal question even though most people on this forum are from the states and the American flag would be a better choice than the British.
It would not make sense to single out a single language for aggregation to the front page in favor of all other languages. Doing so would set a precedent to have separate "aggregation boxes" for all languages - something there simply is not enough room on the page to do.
Therefore they are all consolidated on the main page, and filterable on the subsequent sections!
Why not? It was done before with just the English releases on the front page... This is an English site why can't it just be English scanlations....? And one little box to filter it out like on mangashare is a simple task and would take up not room at all...
Then you have a different definition of this website than the people that run it. It is not just an English scanlations download site.
The main page aggregates to promote all languages. If you want filtered, use the filtering section. If that is all you want to see, make http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/?lang=en your entrance page on MH, or hit up the "EN Scans" link in the menu - which was added for convenience mind you.
Lastly, what MangaShare does and does not do matters little to us. We are not MangaShare, nor are we trying to be.
Like many people here, I also hate change, but I honestly find this one easier to adapt to than the last one.
Just one complaint: I used to like how when you'd drop down to Naruto, you'd be offered further drop down choices and now we don't have that. You know, it used to be Naruto>Discussions>Art>bla bla... and I could decide which one I wanted to go to from there. Now I feel like I have to jump around a bit more for all my Naruto related stuff.
But well done guys overall, because I definitely prefer this layout. :) THanks for all your hard work.
Plus it's all ordered and there is nothing missed around the site!:D
Congratualtions! The designer is a genius!
Yes, you're absolutely right kaylee! It really IS an improvement, you just have to get used to it. ^^
I don't get all you guys complaining, if you just take some time to find out how to navigate through this new layout, you'll see that it is actually a better design.
Anyways, good work you guys, I love it! ^_^
All the R/T/S threads that you loved so much involved manual labour by your ever-present mods (*coughKaNxcough*) and that is just not viable in the future and expansion of MH. Series move in and out of R/T/S totally by our whims and fancy, restricting YOUR exposure and experience to all the manga this site has to offer.
This MH-customised content management system is like nothing you've ever experienced. I have no doubt that once you start using it, the translators and scanlators (who have made MH such a success today) will never want to look back. At least that's how I felt since I started beta-testing the site. ;)
As for leechers, finding specific stuff just became a hundred times easier. Of course, those of you who follow MH forums closely and grab releases as they appear might not appreciate the new system immediately. But, for newcomers, it was always impossible to find old translations and scanlations. They had to depend on other sites and users for complete archives. That's a shame, since all the work came from MH, don't you think?
Spend a bit of time to customise MH to your interests and habits. Use the "My Favourites" links, and subscribe to all your favourite manga. You'll never miss a release again!
But, if you still want to stay with the forums, they're still around for your discussions and spoilers in the exact same layout and format as before. You can still bookmark /forums/ and skip the front page. Redirects will point you to the latest translations and releases. The choice is yours. ;)
i'm confused with this new design, and couldn't download naruto.
One thing for sure: in the previous v. I could be in one of my favourite forums just one of the clicks in the top bar - now I need two clicks <yeah, whatever xP>
R/T/S was good - I don't see it anywhere xP <yeah, expansion xP>
In the "Forums" in the top bar it says "Berzerk"; I think there's a mistake in spelling of one letter xP
Downloads, translators and scanlators forums are to me at the moment one hell of a problem xP
Overall: not bad, not bad, but previous version was just awesome *x* Now I'm thinking that you wanted to organise this all stuff to be more.. not-complicated, but to me seems a way more confusing than it was : (
btw. and that "new releases" box which were done by moderator/admin of new scanaltions releases.. man, it was one of the best things seen on the manga sites I ever saw.. and it's gone : (
Other than that, it's a cool layout, although it may take a while before I get used to it.
I admit that it LOOKS very good, but IMO it doesn't function all that well. it's actually HARDER to find what you're looking for NOW, than it was before. =/
No it has not :)
My suggestion. Put in a noticeboard just like on the old version, under the header, show the newest releases plain and simple, raws, trans, scans should be on one screen, not seperated by tabs. I hate clicking.
One thing so far: If you use the compact leaderboard style, any SN over 11 characters overlaps the "My Actions" text.
What did you guys come for?
Raws? Translations? Scanlations? Discussion?
If you ask yourself those questions you're sure to find those answers easy.
Say you want the latest one piece chapter. In the search bar to the right of the news post, Type in One piece 523, what do you see?
like the former one better
huhu... I'm one of those people who wants all three at the same time with only one click. I miss the R/T/S thread... and the shoutbox too. But the online reader is a serious kickass.
There is always the chapters tab~
It puts em all in one area. and it'd take two clicks to get there (which is about as much as it'd take from the last layout too.)
Anyway, that page shows the newest chapter and what is available.
Well, all is about getting used to it. But previous design was so much better...
Ok, functions are really great. It will take some time to learn everything, but good work. Only that background colour is awful. Isnt there a way to use custom colour for it?
- you were used to it, or
- it was easier to get around for somebody not involved in anything yet
Though it might take time to get used to all the changes, but I'm liking what I see so far!
Keep up the good work.
Oh yeah. Is there anywhere we can report inaccurate links. I mean I found like The Bakuman discussion thread link, in the browse manga section, going to the Naruto Covers page.
1. The DDL in the ENG Releases don't work. I keep trying to get something and it keeps refusing to let me have it. If you could maybe put out the links to the stuff from the actual source, like the mediafire, megauploads, etc. instead of a DDL?
2. Updates are slow now. MH used to be one of the fastest updater of new manga chapters that just got released. Now, these updates seem to come at least a day late, if not more. For example, yesterday on the old style you had all three One Piece updates. However, yesterday on the new style, you didn't have a single one anywhere, and I find that only one of those releases have been updated today.
The combination of those two make it really hard to even want to stay on MH right now. Not to mention I have to kinda echo everyone else's complain about finding it difficult to find anything, though that might just be the lack of updates, again.
That you can see all that has been release with trans, raws and other groups..
and i mean on the frontpage // not the browse en scans; obviously :D
also i really really miss the shoutboard
sure, you can *type* what you are looking for.. but if it's just the latest release, why not keep the shoutbox where all is written and you just need to click?
(but the whole thing sure looks pretty :p)
Thanks for your hard work :)
Actually, releases are instantaneous now. Someone posts a scan or raw and it appears instantly on the downloads page (http://mangahelpers.com/downloads/), in the chapters link of the manga, and on the various "releases" boxes around the site. Before, this was all done manually, so was much slower (when KaNx wasn't around anyway xD).
If you're talking about *old* releases though, yes those all haven't been uploaded to the new system yet.
Thanks, fixed. You can report errors like this with the "Are we missing something? Let us know!" link on the manga details page (http://mangahelpers.com/manga/details/bakuman). =)
Plus - downloading function is uncomfortable and not working for now.
Sorry to say this, the design is quite good graphically but it has lost all its functionality and ease-of-use, that's not the way to go guys.
This layout makes it harder to find things. Clicking is easier than searching. This layout is more primitive than the last one.
The only big upgrade are the widgets...
BUT I haven't been able to download anything because it keeps giving me a "403-Forbidden" error.
This is what you called a "redesign". It's easier to navigate the contents now, compared to the old one (the new design is slow? hell no).
If I may, I say this new layout are combinations of Mangashare(the add releases thing), Mangaupdates(the manga infos and databases), and Mangafox(Online Viewer). -no offense, but it's just a thought-
Lastly, it's all good. But we have to adapt to these changes (and human is the most adaptive being in the world). -sorry for my bad english-
I get the favorites thing, but now all of these other language scans I dont want also show up all intermixed with what I'm looking for and I just don't feel that it's as streamline as you would like for everyone to think.
It takes alot more mouse clicks to get to what you want, and it's disorganized. At least with the R/T/S threads, the scans were seperated by language, not just by upload time. Not to mention I now have to go find all of the manga that I read and add it to my favorites, I relied on the top bar to remind me what I needed to pick up because I dont store these files on my hard drive, so at this point I have no clue what I was reading besides the popular stuff.
I know this site design is much easier on the admins, and that's great, but I've been slowly trying to get accustomed to it, and I'm still not sold.
With that said, you guys have a monopoly on manga scans, so it's not like you can lose users over this, so I'm not sure it's worth even commenting or suggesting things.
I don't mind the new layout... but can we have the announcements back?
But now it is easier to miss the new-release. In the old layout we have the shoutbox to inform us when a new-release is out (raw,trans,scans). Now since it's gone (give it back... T_T) we have to heavily rely on the latest translation/scanlation/raw section... which is not really useful. If you observe the 3 boxes now (go and take a look at it), how many series would you know have been released at a glance?
and that is what i think the biggest problem is. People wants to know immediately when the latest raw/translation/scanlation is out. take this week for example; the raws were out early - it was unexpected but because in the old layout there was a shoutbox, we know that it is out early. where else in the new layout it would have been drown away by other manga raws and we wouldn't think to search for the chapter until friday when it usually comes out.
And I don't know about others but I just suck at remembering latest chapter number. With the shoutbox it doesn't poses a problem but now it's gone i find myself guessing which one is the latest.
so, conclusion - i beg you, return us the gift of the shoutbox. Bless us with shoutbox again. Please!
and that concludes my 2 cents.
I just wanted to highlight this. I think those of you should, instead of feeling offended and confused, play around a little; see where links take you. You will find that there is a lot of thought put into this release.
Like, for example - the tabs and breadcrumbs. No matter where you are on the site, you can navigate to a higher level instantly. Via the top menu and My AFF section populated with Manga and Groups - you can go literally anywhere on this site instantly.
That, ladies and gentlemen, is what it's about. "Data Blocks" with information and links is also aggregated across sections and levels. No matter where you are, there is a detail of something cool you can access!
Did you try, for example, hitting the tabs on the main page for extra stuff directly? :)
Did you know you can subscribe to receive website PM and Email for when scanlations are released? Same for raws, translations and filtered downloads, in addition to going to your filter page directly!
Then there's just cool shit, like http://mangahelpers.com/s/hajikeprojects/ giving scanlators their own profile page with releases and everything :)
nav -> downloads -> home (and filter to language: japanese on the right + you can filter afterwards by manga itself to make the list manga specified)
Anyway, can that be made? Sorry if I said wrong! I really liked the new outlook (altough I miss the R/T/S Threads, that I didn't find yet, hahaha).
thanx for the card layout- bax and other MH staff. And... oi... did you include that in new year book-njt? It's kinda funny seeing my drawing up here. lol. I wish I could have done better though
- PLEASE give us the RTS back. I can't, for the life of me, understand how removing it makes it simpler. Perhaps for the admins, but there are substantially less admins than there are users. Perhaps you make the RTS a little more open ended? Raw providers can update the raw part, translators can add their translation links, etc etc. If you're worried about people messing with the threads, only allow the ranked people to mess with em.
The RTS was nice... "Oh look, chapter *whatever* came out. One stop for raws, translations and scans. Now I might notice a scan's out, but I'll have to work to find the raw, or any combination of the 3. And what about new series? Having a search feature is nice... when you know what you're looking for. When you're just randomly looking for new things, it's pretty fail.
-Filters are needed on the main page. I don't speak German, I don't speak French, I don't speak Egyptian, so I don't need the front page (the page that should let me know when something happens) to be cluttered with all these things I don't care about. Sure, you can apply filters inside the Scan/Raw/Tran section.... but that just kills the point of the front page, doesn't it? I should only have to go to the Scan/Tran/Raw pages when I'm going there to get something that I know should be there, not to go there and scrounge around for updates I want that may or may not be there (and "favoriting" something hardly helps.)
-Raws need to be sortable by magazine, and let us have the ability to choose between full volume raws and single chapters.
Raws also need to have the HQ/MQ/LQ/CAM stats back. We can look at the online viewer, sure, but again that's an unnecessary step. It's not hard to just type HQ in the title, it's two letters. Three at most if it's Cam.]
-Again, I still just can't get over the RTS. "Hey, Naruto 325's out. *clicks raw*... well Hell, are there scans? *searches* Dammit, can't find one. How about a trans at least? *searches* Dammit. If only there was some way to display all the info needed about something one one page!
-It's not that we're too used to the old way... it's that the old way was good. We had Windows XP... nobody wants to go to 98 pretending it's Vista.
Give it a week or two, then have a site vote on the topic. Then change us back to the old format.
If you use the Chapters tab then it *does* put the raws, trans, and scans together.
"PLEASE give us the RTS back. I can't, for the life of me, understand how removing it makes it simpler"... thats all.
IMO Manga Helpers was FINE as it was. It did not NEED to add the features of Baka Updates/Manga Updates and One Manga onto itself.
The real draw of MH was the fact that you could always keep checking back for the latest scanlations, and it was as simple as simply Checking the shoutbox or Clicking the Navigation and going to the R/T/S Area or the Scanlations Area.
The entire "quick", fast flexibility of MH has been thrown out the window. The entire structure has been changed. The whole community feel of the site has been killed in favor of a more MySpace/Facebook feel. The whole comments instead of forum posts thing I do not like.
I do believe that the old MH wasn't perfect, and there was a need to continously improve, but this version has gone towards a totally different approach.
We don't NEED stuff like Info on Mangas... we have baka Updates/Manga Updates for that. We Don't NEED info on scanlators, the Scanlation Groups have their OWN websites and forums for that.
What we NEED, now that MH has changed so drastically, is ANOTHER site where Scanalations, Raws, and Translations can be quickly found and viewed. =/
I know that you owners/admins may feel that the users will get used to it, and I'm sure you have no intention of changing it back. But I seriously can't help but lament at the loss of one of the greatest and most useful services I had.
Now I'll probably have to keep checking millions of Scanlation Forums for their latest releases, instead of being able to have done it one place. =/
What gets the majority of traffic? The new releases or the old? I don't see much point in tailoring to finding old releases.
The fact that people need to poke around the site for a while to be able to find some of the most obvious things, or that it takes multiple page loads to get to the latest naruto or OP does not bode well for new visitors to the site.
thanks for all your hard work
there was a 'I am a fan" button, it's kind of a pain to have to open a new link each time, and then click it, perhaps make a "I am a fan" row?
Others, I'm digging the new layout, the fact that we can now read manga on this site, but it's still primarily for chatting, looks great
But I doubt that all scanlators understand how to use new system. For example, naruto by SF released many hours ago and still no MQ/HQ RAW. May be there are some other reasons and it's just my paranoia ^^""
that should show later today :)
one little nitpick, are there any plans to put in place the ability to filter out trans and scans of other languages, as i find that the latest list get a bit cluttered.
Like someone said above, if you have to learn how to use the site, then it isn't good design.
The box that was at the top of the home page before that listed the most recent stuff was simple and easy. Now I can't even find what I want. I've looked and looked and can't figure out how to find the latest chapter of One Piece.
I only found this page,
because it was linked in the comments here.
And that led me to this page,
which doesn't have the latest chapter of One Piece.
I was only able to find what I was looking for because someone linked me to it on IRC.
In conclusion, absolutely terrible design.