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Mangaka's to object against the Tokyo Ordinance Regulation of Anime & Manga characters

+ posted by Xadyu in Manga News on Mar 15, 2010 09:40

According to Sankei News, mangaka's Tetsuya Chiba (Ashita no Joe) and Machiko Satonaka (Ashita Kagayaku) held a press conference to declare opposition to a local ordinance regulating "fictitious juveniles". Besides the previous named mangaka's, a big number of famous mangaka's made objection to the regulation, claiming that it will severely violate the freedom of expression.

The regulation was proposed by the Tokyo Metropolitan Government and it intends to restrict the minor characters appearing in manga, animes, movies and games. Even if the characters are described as adults in the stories, Tokyo will judge whether the characters are considered minors, based on the appearance, voices and their backgrounds.

The characters that are to be defined as "fictitious juveniles" will be the reason why Tokyo will restrict sales of different media, if it contains sexual expressions of those "fictitious juveniles".

Mangaka and their supporters are apprehensive that the interpretation of "sexual expressions" can be expanded limitlessly.

The ordinance will be put up to the vote on March 19th, an update will follow then.

This topic is now up for discussion on the forum, join the discussion here.

Source(s): Sankei

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#1. by vaanvoiller ()
Posted on Mar 15, 2010
What does this means? No more lolis? I'm not really against it but I think they should just tone it down instead of ban it all together. I know most of you against this but watching a 12 years old getting r*pe is not funny in my opinion.
#2. by Digitalr ()
Posted on Mar 15, 2010
You just don't get it do you? A drawn character is not a real person, it doesn't matter if that person is 5 or 60.. It's pixels. pixels.

Whether it's funny or not is irrelevant. What does funny have to do with this in the first place?
#3. by Queenofmuffins ()
Posted on Mar 15, 2010
Yeah, saying this will probably make me unpopular, but I support this... to an extent. As in, I don't think they should ban young characters all together. What about Chibi Mariko-chan, ect? Toning it down is defienetly better than banning it outright.

I find stuff that depicts loli's pretty sick. I don't care if it's pixels or not, in my opinion enjoying drawings of what's basically child porn is not somehow better or "healthier" than watching the real thing. :P
#4. by dosukoi7 ()
Posted on Mar 15, 2010
I think the issue is the mangaka are worried about isn't the child rape part(maybe some of them), but rather the fact that they can get audited by the gov't over pretty much anything. If the gov't doesn't like the message in a manga, and it has some high school or middle school girls giving panty shots, they might decide it's inappropriate. I know that's not what the ordinance is for, but I think that they are worried that it could quickly get out of control.
#5. by lucifell ()
Posted on Mar 15, 2010
It's kind of a double edged sword. On the one hand it could seriously effect toilet humor slapstick type "ecchi" mangas. However, you can't deny there is a serious market for loli hentai type manga's as well, which is disturbing when you think about it. Personally I'd rather the people who enjoy that type of thing find their outlet in fictional characters than them searching or even creating the real thing if you know what I mean.
#6. by Raimaru ()
Posted on Mar 15, 2010
This clearly shows (again) that nearly no government on this world nowadays know how to properly deal with media. They make useless and unbeneficial desicions to raise their popularity.

Was there any tragic happening recently? I don't get why this is brought up right now. "Toukyou Metropolitan Government" isn't very specific, so who is actually behind this?

Since the topic in question is "fictional media", I'm TOTALLY against such kind of regulation.
#7. by nat ()
Posted on Mar 15, 2010
No more lolis? Finally... what took them so long. Fictitious or not, some things must not be encouraged (child prostitution/loli hentai is one of them).

Hopefully that will decimate the number of mediocre ecchi crap dubbed as manga.
#8. by progste ()
Posted on Mar 15, 2010
if i'm not wrong this isn't the first time the government is trying something like this and it's wrong in my opinion.
this is nothing but censorship, it could greatly limit mangaka's freedom of expression.
--> |Mangaka and their supporters are apprehensive that the interpretation of "sexual expressions" can be expanded limitlessly.|
I think it's true and I hope the ordinance won't pass
#9. by chison ()
Posted on Mar 15, 2010
we should protect loli^^ not rxpe**
#10. by candy ()
Posted on Mar 16, 2010
i think they should just you no censor some of the stuff
#11. by ghostmage ()
Posted on Mar 16, 2010
The real problem here is the broad scope of this legislation. "fictitious juveniles" is rather vague and it covers a very large scope of media. A lot of manga, anime, and games focus on High school life and a lot of that has ecchi or sexual themes which are reasonably realistic (the sexual themes not the ecchi). The label of "fictitious juveniles" could cover all of that (a large part of the manga/anime market) and give conservative government officials extreme censorship powers. It's bad legislation.

But if this was reserved to the 18+ only versions of these forms I would have less of a problem. Loli-sex/rape is just a disgustingly exploitative sales practice that really goes beyond the realm of what should and should not be censored.

Frankly, I would like to see some self censorship by production companies on this issue. Its titles like Kodomo no Jikan that have pushed so close to the border of acceptability in exploiting minors that give pro-censorship politics the edge in binding and eventually bringing down the whole industry through this type of stupid legislation.
#12. by Rh'llor ()
Posted on Mar 16, 2010
I agree, ghostmage. The broad use of "fictitious juveniles" could strike down just about anything that the people who make up the board deems reprehensible, from depictions of teenagers in ecchi comedies to the more hardcore loli elements. I don't know about Japan's constitutional standards, but this would be struck down in U.S. courts in a heartbeat because of it's broad language, much like how the internet decency act was struck down because it's language could have blanketed anything from legal pornography to sites that teach sexual education. Speaking for myself, this seems a bit too heavy handed, and a serious government overreach. They could parry down the law to focus only on things like loli, or better yet, like ghostmage recommended, companies could self-police their own content.
#13. by HikaruYami ()
Posted on Mar 16, 2010
I don't mind loli hentai, actually, but I also wouldn't consider it unreasonable for them to outlaw it.... Even though I think it would have negative backlash in the long run, to be honest ^_^``

However, THIS law is completely broken. I doubt such a vague law will be successfully passed. It potentially restricts way too much! If they make it specific enough such that it is clearly only a ban on loli/shota hentai, I will neither support nor reject it, but in its current form, it gets a 100% stamp of disapproval.
#14. by Trejon ()
Posted on Mar 16, 2010
man! this could be serious... if you think about it, A LOT of mangas will be in danger because of this, for example, to love ru, mahou sensei negima, kanokon, and the like... but to put it that no ecchi alowed to character below 18??? that its saying no more high/middle school romance drama!, almost all the ecchi mangas have characters around 14-17 years old, im tottaly against it, if they are worried about something like this well, that what age-restriction are for!!
#15. by alchemist11 ()
Posted on Mar 17, 2010
Imo, finally something I had once thought of proposing to be done (small scale via crackdowns with non-corrupt police), now actually in the mind of the government. A great step towards trying to eliminate "Child Pornography (CP)" and alike from the mass market. Hopefully, if this is proposed, we'll see a decline in CP as a whole, in both Japan and elsewhere. If not, then ignore that I wrote... Back down the ladder to stage one.

Personally, I don't care if this limits the mangaka's work of expression, they shouldn't be promoting "sexual expressions of those fictitious juveniles" in the first place, even if it's a fetish for some. I'd like to see less of it and ultimately nil in comics and society as a whole... When you get older and mature, married and have children, you feel disgusted by these and understand why my mindset is like present...

P.S. Please don't reply or debate my comment, I won't read it next time I pass by. Just stating my opinion for people to think about, after all, this interrelates with real life events. And yes, I am anti-loli.
#16. by Leth3 ()
Posted on Mar 17, 2010
When has censorship ever ended well, and how is this any different from depicting other criminal acts (eg. sopranos, weeds, etc.)? This is just another guise for restricting freedom of speech. And for the ignorant claiming it's child porn, that loli being raped is just as much a work of art as those bare a*s angel's in many church paintings.

Stop shoving your moral agenda down someone else's throat, and just maybe you'll realize you're not the only voice out there.
#17. by vaanvoiller ()
Posted on Mar 17, 2010
#2. A drawn character is not a real person, it doesn't matter if that person is 5 or 60.. It's pixels. pixels.

#16. This is just another guise for restricting freedom of speech. And for the ignorant claiming it's child porn, that loli being raped is just as much a work of art as those bare a*s angel's in many church paintings.

You guys gotta be kidding me. Hearing someone said that a child porn is okay is way more disgusting than the content itself. I feel sorry for you guys. Enough said.
#18. by ca12nag3 ()
Posted on Mar 17, 2010
i actualy agree with the pixels explanation, since, well, if i draw that i kill someone did i realy kill someone?

Ofc there should be laws about adult manga. but this law is to open for wide variaties of cencorship, any joke or comment or sexual oriented drawing we all know from many stories would be easily banned thrue this law.
For instance the moment were Winry pulls up her shirt but not totaly in FMA would be banned.
Jokes like how Cross says Lenalee is a grown woman now (shes 16) in DGM banned.
Anything going on between Bianchi and Reborn in Hitman Reborn banned.
And the list goes on and on.

And btw this would also be a nightmare for aditional printing of old material, the industry would have to go over every page again to check if its ok acording to this law (if it passes).

I dont think the lobby's of the entertainment industry will let this happen tbh
#19. by macklet ()
Posted on Mar 18, 2010
Is this for real? what's this... 1920? I Tought we were over this
#20. by vaanvoiller ()
Posted on Mar 19, 2010
Why did they even bother to against it if they think it's only a drawings or pixels. This kind of thinking piss me off because they contradict themselves. You don't protect something that doesn't mean anything to you, right? If there is no more lolis in manga, it should not bother you because it's only a pixels right?

* I'm only against sexual abuse on lolis in manga. Something like Ichigo Mashimaro, Azumanga Daioh, Lucky Star is fine with me. If they try to ban this kind of manga, even I would be furious.
#21. by ca12nag3 ()
Posted on Mar 19, 2010
I dont think you realy get what this is about, ofc its only pixels. Its about freedom of press/expression and speach. Sure you should have a limit to whats acceptable but this law they want to put thrue is to wide open to interpretation.
For instance you draw a girl and the clothes are revealing to much acording to someone...whos going to decide whats to much and whats sexual insinuative.
And who decides what age a character is that someone drew. Common its crazy, imagin your a publisher of a wide variaty of manga. Youll have to go over all the originals to check on its content.

-Its a way to open law
-Its cencorship
-And it will cost the industry large amounts of money to re-check everything on content.

Btw in Seinen there has always been a loose line on it. A lot of slapstick < that entire branch will be dead within months.
#22. by vaanvoiller ()
Posted on Mar 19, 2010
Wrong. The word for 'sexual expressions' in Japan is quite light compare to other country. Since I'm also into idols other than manga, I know how light they take this. Japan is the only country I think that you can find a 12 years old in swimsuit photobooks - Saaya Irie for example. And having an underage in Weekly Playboy is normal (not nude though). Not to mention their movies, 'Visitor Q', 'All about Lily Chou-Chou,' etc. I can name 100 things that are normal to them but kinda disturbing to others. Not to mention the things that you can find underground...

* The truth is, I doubt this law gonna pass anyway. So, whatever...
#23. by ca12nag3 ()
Posted on Mar 19, 2010
Im not talking about what the commoner wants to do with a law, but how it can be interpreted legaly.
So i dont realy care for the lightest form of the interpretation but the heaviest.
Just like a prosecutor would go for the maximum penalty, or if you buy something you bargain down. Or if you sell something you try to maintain the highest price.

You can never interpret a law like its no big deal if its so wide open to interpretation. Then anything is possible.

I hardly dislike all cencorship, tho i admit something needs to be done on child pornography but not with a law for all art.
#24. by vaanvoiller ()
Posted on Mar 19, 2010
If you say something like that, than I have to agree with you. I myself hate censorship. And I admit that Under-18 is a little overboard. It just that when someone take it lightly just because it's only a drawing, somehow it ticks me off. :(
#25. by NetCat ()
Posted on May 11, 2010
Um, you guys getting the whole story sort of wrong...

1)Regulation will be placed on any Manga that regulators deem unhealthily sexual.
In other words, regulators will have the full authority to decide what is good for us and what's bad for us.
I have a feeling that they might employ an army of nuns to decide what's good and what's evil.

Also there are major 2 reasons behind the upcoming regulation:

1)Complaints from all over the world
Scanlators have made Manga available worldwide. Thanks to that, crazy people from all over the world are complaining about Manga. Some have been criticizing Japanese as child abuse advocates: Here in Japan we may have the largest population of Loli Manga lovers in the world, but they weren't any more likely to commit any sort of crime than people with normal sexual orientation.

I personally think introduction of the regulation is likely to increase the number of rape incidents etc. You know how terrible it is when things are all going wrong and you have nothing that let your forget the pain. Some people in such sate can go mad.

2)Economic downturn
Many retired Japanese officials do Amakudari, which is normally a large scale organized appropriation of government money. However, they can also extort money from firms in public sector using regulations.
You don't get how they do it? Simple, set up a Rating Organization and whisper "I'm a former police official and I and my friends don't like people who don't pay me to rate their products".

2)'s just a rumor though, but a pretty common rumor.

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